Its often been levelled at him that his work with Led Zeppelin could be described as too meatheaded, lacking some of the finesse of your Bernard Purdies, Vinnie Colaiuta's, Max Roachs etc..especially in the context of looking back from todays drummers with a contemporary sound...but this is missing the point and there's an interesting dichotomy in this guy...for instance he learnt from listening to people like Gene Krupa i read, and so he was also about touch as well as hammering out a rhythm. god knows the BBC had a hell of a time miking him up to record sessions! i have seen quite a number of videos that say 'play like John Bonham', 'Bonhams x technique' etc and while they are informative, there is something they cannot capture...this is the x factor and it maybe as profound as something he was born with.. Bonham himself said he was just a straight ahead drummer not doing anything fancy..and maybe herein lies part of the answer...that everything he did seemed very deliberate..there was no hesistation.. Is it possible to deconstruct, or rather brush-away the myth and get to the actual nuts and bolts? well it seems that a number of master tapes have been liberated and you can now get a sense of the drums alone, not buried in the mix... i think that no one can emulate him anymore than he might try to emulate one of his idols..he seemed like the music world's hod carrier...not shying away from getting stuck in and carrying the bricks to build his walls.....he had that work ethic and honest - but the conclusion i have drawn is its as if elastic were attached between his legs and arms...Elastic being the operative word..see what you reckon. NO one can do that. have you got any thought on his playing? (see videos below for examples)
a companion post the irrevence of the previous one..the title isn't intended to be dismissive. I was interested to know your thoughts on suffering in Art particularly music...to what degree do you think suffering breeds an artistic temperament...do you need to suffer..is the other way round..that a certain temperament is more liable to suffer. The 'me' suffers greatly it seems...suffering happens alot and it can lead to what is often called a breakdown...we read alot about people in the media having a public "meltdown" ..and then they disappear as if nothing happens after that..they disappear...numerous high profile cases; Judy Garland, Brian Wilson and so on... i'd like to think there's an after and that somehow it is cleansing in a way...like you aren't so worried about what people think and that you can in fact land....i think i've suffered a few breakdowns in my life..its not easy to characterise them as they don't simply happen like the flick of a switch.. can you retain your senssitivity and somehow become stronger...i wouldn't wish it on anyone but is there a case for saying that people are recognising and embracing the meltdown as part of a process.. I've forgotten to say...i find i like the stuff i do when i'm feeling better too. so maybe you don't need the blues to sing the blues...and Jimi said it well when he said sometimes "success" and money can sometime give you more reason to sing the blues.
how does one get thrown off a projay (i use the french pronouniation as i'm not common)
i have for a while been trying to inculcate a local ecosystem of hopelessness on my part. the rain clouds which brew on the horizon are ever-present it threatens to rain, but never does which is worse. the bread always lands margarine side down, although it has no margarine upon it....(more on)
a little late but been here 5 years now..thanks to all who have helped.(obviously apart from Bjorn, billy, and Brannon who have single handely made my life unbearable, oh and Alice...she is so violent! :)) thanks to Raf for setting it up..i suppose..tsk
a couple of things i've (kind of) learnt...
its not the end if my tracks don't get chosen...there are always entry points and places to reside within a project that aren't always apparent.
less is mostly more..
its often a good laugh bullshitting...any attempt at po-faced musoship or seriousness...is met with customery derision..thank god.
collaboration is like a third skill apart from playing the instrument and learning to do passable mixes..
nothing comes in black and white..some of the people who would consider themselves non or beginner musicians can often provide a great collab.
it is only a contest when i'm not enjoying or not confident in my own skills.
I have for a while got irritated by the overuse of cymbals...they seem to be used as if to say i have nothing to say...i'll hit this...how about playing nothing rather than that?......their overuse seems to be rife these days...as much as anything they throw up a curtain around the drummer so they can't hear the rest of the group and they cause hell for the sound in general..they bleed other frequencies.
A shorter and alternative way of saying this is i really like this..the drummer is Clive Deamer
having been collaborating a while..i've hit a bit of a brick wall i think....there are definite patterns..either i get involved in a project where the musicality is not as good and end up having to work hard in terms of back and forth explanations to get the thing fired up...or i contribute an idea to something by a certain person and i get the thanks but no thanks...
its getting me down a bit..quite apart from my process being misinterpretted...ie people think that the first track i upload should be taken as a whole.....i would now like to ask the question...did you ever have any intention of using my ideas?
i think this is relevent as it saves my time and energy...i actually put a lot of "spiritual" energy into what i do..or rathe rwhat limited energy i have i use a large proportion when i hit record...and if someone time and time again says this i start thinking oh hang on there's a given order here..i shouldn't bother...the other thing i find is that i often get mixed in to something at the same level a spider might be at if it were in a library....was that my part there?...as if its kind of lip service...oh i have to include his part but lets just put it there..well no!...i'd rather you not include the part if its not right for the song.
i;'m self critical and loads of stuff never sees the light of day...this isn;t a blog to ask for compliments and so on...its a genuine question for someone who's been trying to find a good way of collaborating on a happiness budget for a while.
am i in the wrong place or time?...are my expectations unrealistic?...does that matter? any suggestions as to how i could enjoy it more...because i'm sure there was a reason i found this place..its just i'm forgetting it