I think using the traditional copyright is the way to go for this projects stuff.
If Scott's done and gone, can you ask him to transfer the projects to you, Mike?
In the case where we can't change that or effect that with Scott, we need to make a decision on the inclusion of those pieces.
Craig - please don't listen to Badlands or Pretender. Since the contributions remain copyright by the contributors, we can rewrite the songs as new projects, I believe (if we have to). The song harmony and melody are what constitute the legal part of copyright and those were created by Matt, Mike and Luke and I.
My point being we started those two tunes on one drum beat but split them both out into new things based on the input of we four and so I believe we can redo these (even using the orig contributed tracks) and replace the drums if we have to.
Funny, I was just hanging out last night with a friend who is on kompoz (never done anything) but who is a lawyer and deals with this stuff and we had a lively talk about the CC and it's protections.
I'm not suggesting or wanting to do anything underhanded here, and I believe that Scott, unless he's stopped following will see this: I just would like to be able to proceed with those tunes.
I won't normally post to a track where a drummer has submitted a track and it's been accepted - unless I have a totally different idea / feel for the song.
Also, if the drums have had a fundamental impact on the direction a song has taken, I wouldn't want to stamp all over that.
As always, time is the only problem for me (work is mental at the moment). But if you can live with me only getting to record once every other week or so, then I'd love to have a crack at your tracks because they're really great. Some I click with straight away (like BB) and others I have to work hard at (like HON)... But that's what it's all about. How are you going to improve if you always play within your comfort zone, right ???? That's why other people's projects always seem to get priority over my own ! :)
Yeah - we're in a odd situation for Kompoz in that we'd ultimately like to have an album here, might be nice to post to iTunes or whatever, but we've lost contact with an original contributor. Scott hasn't been on Kompoz for 6 months. Last we knew he had a new day gig that was taking all his time.
We've got tunes were they are under him as proj owner, two: Badlands and Pretender. We need to redo them as projects. We can use the contributions, but obviously can't reuse the drums as we want to change the license.
I feel bad about replacing stuff, but without being able to contact Scott, we are left with little choice. I feel bad asking Craig to do everything over, so to speak, but I do feel good about what the results will be.
We've waited this long, I'm fine with waiting more and I suppose that means all the mixes should improve as well.
The other alternative, as a lurker suggests to me, is we just forge ahead and create new material ditching the stuff Scott played on.
That's 7 tunes.
The pros there are we start fresh with the addition of Craig's influences and style, and this puts Craig in as a writer from the get go, which is good for all (I like his tunes). Also we are obviously able to bring well crafted tunes together more quickly now that we've worked together this long, as HON shows.
The cons are we don't use the 7 tunes as anything beyond "the lost tracks". :)
I'm ok with moving ahead with new material. I think I'll miss Badlands and the Angel set the most.
Just listened to both of those projects Bill.... I see why you might miss those :)
If it helps crystalise your thoughts on those 2- if you want to put up drumless versions for them (somewhere?) , I can put up a couple of idea snippets, then you can decide if you keep them as they are (both excellent) or maybe re-track?
To be clear to all that read this: My stuff wouldn't be better than Scott's [EDIT - Or even as good] ! - It would just be a slightly different take on things, and a slightly different direction?
I didn't realize that Scott was no longer active on Kompoz, and un-reachable. That does put a little road block to the songs we've built. But in all actuality, he only is project owner of two of the songs he's worked on. Badlands and The Pretender. The other songs he performed on should be fine, and we should be able to publish them and use them as we wish. As for the two projects he owns, we could use our contributions on a new project, but we should find a way to make sure we include him in the creative rights. But I'm not sure how we could do that?
As for creating new songs together, I'm all in. I really like the way we all work together, and writing with you guys keeps getting easier & easier. Especially with the creative addition of Craig ;-)
my understanding of copyright is this: If a combination of melody and instruments are very distictively identifiable, (like vanilla ice's "ice ice baby" rip off of Queen's "under pressure") then copyright comes to play.
I don't think you can copyright a melody, or chord progression. A combination of melody,bass,drums, and other instruments structured into a song can be copyrighted, because it becomes unique.Lyrics alone can be copyrighted, but not a song title, or even a concept.
And from what I know a drum pattern is very hard to copyright. This aside, it would be good to use those projects and Scott's work was great. It would be disappointing to have to discard those.
With the CC thing, I think that anyone who has obtained a copy of the cc version can use it or recreate the song so long as they attribute the writing of the song to the original artists. IMHO it's a bit hard to put the cork back in the bottle there, BUT the songs would have had little exposire and I doubt anyone but the original contributors has them.
Angel in a cage was originally written by me based on a guitar riff On MBV.com in 2005/2006. The version we have written may be different enough to be a new song entirely, and it was the lyrics I wrote that made that old project a distinctive song, but the guitarist's profile name was "saltlik" and that's all I know.... MVB was sold out and shut down that very week.
I guess what I am saying is yes, 7 or 8 new projects is no problem for me, we can make them original with new energy from Craig and there's no muddy confusion about where the projects are from, and where they are going.
:) It was a bit rough with the timing in a couple of places, so would rather not share the whole sketch yet. I need to re-do with the click turned off and just jam to the song instead, a couple of tracks seem to be a bit ahead of the beat especially in the intro.... Even after I've hit Q on my drums !! :)
That'd be very cool (assuming everyone is up for it?)
I was really feeling the funk in the chorus and post chorus instrumental section (assuming you like the disco style riff?). Still working on a suitably funky riff for the verse. I had this "Cameo - Word Up vs RHCP Give it Away" thing going on in my head at one point, but the syncopated run down at the end of each phrase kicked that into touch. There are some great rhythm gutar riffs going on in there - very inspirational stuff.
By the way, here's the full sketch of the Badlands "testing" I was doing.
I wasn't going to share it all originally because it's so rough - but I just listened to it again and even though my mix is a bit crappy, the true flares / slap-bass-tastic / wah pedal funk potential made me smile.