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Sun, Jul 3, 2011 • 10:29 AM UTC - By raf

Kompoz is a fun place.  It's a happy place on most days, and except for the occasional troll or spammer, musicians here generally get along and are very productive.  Unfortunately, like most sites that promote and celebrate user participation, we do get a few bad apples once in a while.  Kompoz is probably more open to (and dependant upon) user participation than other sites.  As such, there are lots of opportunities for abuse.  Today, in response to a recent incident, we are rolling out new controls that will allow you to better manage your experience here.  We want your experience to be positive.

On the My Account page, you'll now see a "Block Evil Members" link.  

My Account Page

The name I chose for the link is no accident.  I wanted it to be somewhat comical, and for it to cause you to think before you use it.  Blocking members is not a feature designed for creating cliques.  Instead, it's designed to protect you from abusive behaviors by very specific members.  It works like a 'blacklist', preventing members you add to the list from participating in projects you create, commenting on your tracks, sending you private messages, and commenting on your profile wall. 

When you click the link, you'll see the following page:Block a Member 

You can block any number of members.  You can also block directly from the Private Message screen (if you receive an abusive PM or spam, you'll be able to click the link on the PM page to block that user from sending you any further messages). 

Kompoz will run weekly reports to see if we see patterns.  If the same person is blocked by a large number of members, then we'll investigate to see if that person should be suspended from Kompoz.  

 




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Sapphirestudio
  Sapphirestudio on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 11:20 AM UTC

unfortunate but well done Raf. I will keep my evil twin from hacking my account! :)
   
dazzlefly
  dazzlefly on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 11:51 AM UTC

Very well done...simple and effective...thank you Raf!
   
bjorn
  bjorn on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 12:02 PM UTC

I immediately blocked myself, I can't stand my comments.

Jokes aside, it is indeed unfortunate to have to introduce this, but I think this is an elegant way to do it. Well done young Fiolwalker, the force is strong with you.

Rock On

B
   
Breathtax
  Breathtax on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 12:37 PM UTC

could we have a balancing button...a 'hurt someone's feelings' button that randomly attacks someone..someone perhaps you haven't targetted? :( :) ....i've just hurt my own feelings
   
mauro
  mauro on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 12:53 PM UTC

At this point I want say something of different, but I make a back step and say only my "thanks" to Raf!
   
MelVin   MelVin on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 01:12 PM UTC

Sad. I'll be turning in my K card after just a few days.
   
Brannon
  Brannon on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 01:50 PM UTC

In an attempt to streamline the process can I get a show of hands? Are you Evil?

I kid. I'm here all week (or the rest of my life, whichever comes last) Please remember to tip your waitress. Do not tip the waiters.
   
RenoS
  RenoS on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 03:34 PM UTC

A question - does it inform the blocked?
I understand the need for this feature, my worry is that someone might not discover they are blocked until they try to upload a track they spent time on.. that could add to hostility rather than diffuse it.. just a thought..
   
Lonnie
  Lonnie on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 03:57 PM UTC

Right on. Konsider yourself blocked Raf.

Evil? Mwa...Mwaaa...
   
rollingthunder
  rollingthunder on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 03:59 PM UTC

I think this is a simple function of growth. @MelVin - you didn't give it much of a chance, and spoke about bailing before being around a week. I'm sorry it didn't work for you.

Folks - this is a social network in addition to a musicians collab. If you want to maintain the former, you must have controls to prevent abuse. Not understanding that is just immature. If you believe this is the latter only, then you should be willing to pay for the privilege - and the cost should be such that it prohibits any but the dead serious. I want it to be both, and have a very real understanding of how the social side can go wrong. I don't really want to pay thru the nose to be a member of some elite site.

These are growing pains, and kompoz will get through them well, I believe.
   
Lonnie
  Lonnie on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 04:01 PM UTC

And that is a mighty good point, Reno. If I spend a day screwing up, I mean contributing to a project only to discover that it won't let me upload my trash, I'd probably just have to start my own project with my mix and badmouth the original project in my project title.

Join my new project - "Raf, The jerk blocked my submission" It needs drums.
   
Astronut
  Astronut on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 04:59 PM UTC

"Evil" "Jerk" "Trash" "Immature" "Drums"

Boy, my ears are burning! >:D Okay, need to get back to blocking everyone. j/k
   
RenoS
  RenoS on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 05:05 PM UTC

lol lonnie, point made. but there will be cases where being blocked isn't expected (like when someone doesn't take 'polite' critique well)..

just saying that either way informing the blocked could be a good idea. not by a letter saying so-and-so has blocked you, I'm thinking more along the lines of intercepting login with a warning that they might not be able to contribute to all projects on site and maybe a quick review of the conduct policy that they have to agree to to proceed with login (for the next x number of logins/days)
   
MHenebury
  MHenebury on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 05:23 PM UTC

I think it's a good positive step forward, much needed when managing a large social network.
   
dogbizkits
  dogbizkits on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 06:29 PM UTC

When I read this blog only minutes after it was published, I thought along the same lines as Reno. Putting technology-based mechanisms in place to "block" people could have a serious backlash. If some people think they're being filtered, they could resort to immature revenge tactics which could take many forms. That's what I'd suspect many would fear most. Stuck between a rock and a hard place, Raf. It's a tough one.
   
DonnieAlan
  DonnieAlan on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 06:54 PM UTC

I have to agree, ita probably a necessary step. There's hardly a social network out there that doesn't have some form of blacklist. And while we are highly specialized to music, we ARE very much a social network. So, even potentially be some issues along the kinds Reno and Rab mention, we certainly aren't the first to implement such policies, and would have some points of reference as guides for dealing with situations as they arise, if they do. I suspect, though, that such situations would be few and far between,

On a side not @Room232. You're back!! Yay!
   
Brannon
  Brannon on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 07:12 PM UTC

I just noticed. A block shows up in the stream.

"Random guitar player just blocked someone. Send him a message to see if it was you!"
   
40milecreek
  40milecreek on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 07:30 PM UTC

I love the "Block Evil Member", but if possible Raf, could you please add "Block Evil Mother-in Law"

That would be a god send :)
   
raf
  raf on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 07:37 PM UTC

@Lonnie - I understand your point, and I did consider that briefly. But I don't think it is going to be a big issue, because: if you get blocked, chances are good that you've probably had a heated exchange already, and it's unlikely you'd be wanting to upload to that other member's project anyway. Yes, it is a risk, but having no controls in place is (IMHO) a greater risk to the overall good of the community. Sucks we have to do this.

On the bright side, so far, only Brannon has blocked himself.

FYI: Brannon is kidding... blocks do not show up in the stream!
   
raf
  raf on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 07:44 PM UTC

@Brooke: invite your mother-in-law to join Kompoz, then immediately block her. If it will make you feel better, I'll block her too.
   
40milecreek
  40milecreek on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 07:53 PM UTC

Will do RAF! :) Brilliant!
   
Brannon
  Brannon on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 07:56 PM UTC

I blocked myself to set an example for all of you. Be warned.
   
BlindDogDay   BlindDogDay on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 08:07 PM UTC

I remember the days when a "couple of boobs" where just two big dumb guys. This makes me sad.

Cheers from Vegas

LRay
   
MistressMay   MistressMay on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 08:42 PM UTC

I have no one to block haha what a pointless feature for me
   
Phoephus
  Phoephus on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 08:43 PM UTC

What is to prevent members from using this as a tool to block individuals they feel are not on their level musically? It's a lot more convenient to just block a person than to have to constantly think up reasons why their part isn't right for a song.

Or as retaliation because someone else's solo was picked over yours - blocked!

Or you invited someone to a project and they never responded - blocked!

They gave some constructive criticism that you didn't like - blocked!

A joke was made that was misunderstood as being serious(this happens all the time and it occurred in the blog you link to) - blocked!

You discover someone blocked you - blocked!

We no longer have to resolve issues, work out our problems and just plain deal with one another, cause we have a blocking tool.
   
rollingthunder
  rollingthunder on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 08:59 PM UTC

You can't solve the problem 100%. This provides a way for people to avoid individuals who a not here to make music but rather are here to bully, harass and intimidate. Those are people who don't want to work things out - they want to make you as miserable as they are. Really - this is no big deal. Facebook has a block as do many forums and other social sites. Joe, you bring up valid arguments, but there are valid reasons to want not be subjected to bullying, or harassing behaviors.
   
BillOnGuitar
  BillOnGuitar on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 09:20 PM UTC

I am not sure that having this feature is a good thing. I kinda feel like we should instead let the internet version of Natural Selection weed out the trouble makers.
   
Wire-and-Wood
  Wire-and-Wood on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 09:29 PM UTC

good job Raf... this may end up being one of the least used features of Kompoz, but it has it's place and purpose.
   
Phoephus
  Phoephus on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 09:32 PM UTC

I understand the intent is well meaning and Raf is doing what he feels is best for the community. But how one hopes a feature is used and how it actually does get used are often two different things.

Facebook is not a site that is based on collaboration and it is much much larger so it might not be the best idea to think that what works there will work the same way here.
   
Brannon
  Brannon on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 09:43 PM UTC

@Pheophus - Consider that the people who over-use and abuse the block feature are probably not someone you want to work with anyway.
   
PeterWard
  PeterWard on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 09:48 PM UTC

I think there is a mechanism in place to block everybody you think is evil or beneath you musically. It is called private project. I could be wrong but Raf took care of that long ago.

Great job Raf, Kompoz rules. Did I mention Kompoz has one of the best UI's in the business?




Your world is still your world, no one can take that from you.

PS: I do not care if you block me, there is plenty to do here.
   
Phoephus
  Phoephus on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 10:07 PM UTC

As a paying member, to think that I might be shut out of any of the public parts of this site for whatever reason, irks me.
   
PeterWard
  PeterWard on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 10:27 PM UTC

Raf, I think the mechanism as a deterrent is already working. People just might have to be nice all the time to avoid being blocked from some public place. Just as long as it is not the bathroom because that would be really mean.
   
Phoephus
  Phoephus on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 10:44 PM UTC

[This space for rent]
   
PeterWard
  PeterWard on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 11:29 PM UTC

Joe, I am sorry if I am sounding condescending, it is not my intention. Like my musical contribution my attempts at humor do not always work well. I was just pointing out the obvious. Blogs like this always end up on some kooky tangent, I just thought I would start it early. Actually I think stuff like this is meaningless. I will have just as much fun at Kompoz as I did before the new mechanism was put in place. You can never prevent morons and I think I have proven that point with my blog entries. Brannon how do you block yourself?

   
Brannon
  Brannon on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 11:36 PM UTC

@Peter - If I told you, I'd have to kill myself.
   
Phoephus
  Phoephus on Sun, Jul 3, 2011 @ 11:38 PM UTC

Apology accepted, I understand how tone and intention can be lost when thoughts become text.(comment redacted)
   
joel_sattlersongs
  joel_sattlersongs on Mon, Jul 4, 2011 @ 06:04 AM UTC

Can we app this to the upcoming Presidential Election?
   
BillOnGuitar
  BillOnGuitar on Mon, Jul 4, 2011 @ 10:25 AM UTC

@Peter Ward - I agree with your observation. Private Projects are the least confrontational way to control who joins a project. I have also found it quite easy to ignore rather than engage people when I dont like what they are saying to me.

Everyone, with the exception of two members, that I have ever interacted with on this site are awesome people. Maybe we need to talk less and jam more.

   
Breathtax
  Breathtax on Mon, Jul 4, 2011 @ 11:20 AM UTC

if someone were to start a mud slinging group in the groups section ... a place where everybody could call everyone else whatever they wanted..either for fun or to get it out their system..how do you think that would fare?...would it spill out into the rest of the site like a bar brawl gone mad or would it help because the lines would be drawn?
   
PeterWard
  PeterWard on Mon, Jul 4, 2011 @ 12:20 PM UTC

I really do think this is a deterrent mechanism and those who worry about it affecting them may think twice before posting.

The logic and reasoning behind this mechanism are sound.

Great job Raf.
   
Sapphirestudio
  Sapphirestudio on Mon, Jul 4, 2011 @ 12:31 PM UTC

@ Ben, we have that already.It's called the submit comment box. It's all up to you want you want to put in there. And it has turned into a bar room brawl before..:)
   
Jeff_Reeks
  Jeff_Reeks on Mon, Jul 4, 2011 @ 03:10 PM UTC

Although I haven't had a problem with anyone, This could be handy... Your all EVIL,,,...Just kidin' puddin'
JR
   
MattWidder
  MattWidder on Mon, Jul 4, 2011 @ 04:39 PM UTC

/blocking everyone who responds to this blog
   
PeterWard
  PeterWard on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 12:40 AM UTC

Cool Mat.
What kind of bass is that again?
The head looks so cool.
   
Astronut
  Astronut on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 08:04 AM UTC

@Matt - Is that a Steinberger with a Clarinet headstock? :D
   
DonnieAlan
  DonnieAlan on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 08:08 AM UTC

@Joel - +1+1+1+1+1...etc etc
@Jeff..we're all evil 'cause we're all musicians...muahhaha!
   
Hot-Blood-Ed
  Hot-Blood-Ed on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 03:08 PM UTC

I hereby admit to being EVIL and also a compulsive LIAR. You can ask my wife, ah Morgan Fairchild! Yeah, that's it.
   
billy
  billy on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 03:50 PM UTC

I think I would like to have a running tally of how many have blocked me. I don't want to know who, just how many. Then we can have awards too!
I don't see how blocking those you feel are musically inferior is a problem at all. (Having the ego to identify those musically inferior IS a problem, but I digress). No one knows you blocked them and you wouldn't collaborate with them anyway. Perhaps a better idea would be to block those musically superior so you won't feel inferior when collaborating.

Fine print: (No.. I'm not serious)
   
SpinDizzy
  SpinDizzy on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 04:15 PM UTC

If I block the musically inferior to me I would then have to block myself as I seldom live up to my own expectations...which are rather low.

How about an evil clown block? Similar to sunblock only very very...red...and applied with...big rubber shoes.
   
Sapphirestudio
  Sapphirestudio on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 06:32 PM UTC

Maybe I could use some evil clown block Spin, my nose seems rather red and bulbous??.and I feel like cramming into a VW Bug?.with about 20 other people!
   
PeterWard
  PeterWard on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 06:53 PM UTC

Hay I just looked down and I have my shoes in the wrong feet. Oh wait..... I have my legs crossed, never mind.
   
SpinDizzy
  SpinDizzy on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 07:04 PM UTC

Red...bulbous...urp...whaaat?

VWs are for Granny Clowns!

Me and the other 19 members of me posse be runnin the gut in an extra-Mini Cooper.

That's a regular Mini Cooper that has been run through a hot car wash and then shrunken to half its original size.

My legs aren't cross but my butt is pretty pissed.
   
Astronut
  Astronut on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 07:08 PM UTC

How did this subject digress into Tranny Clowns and bare asses? What the hell is going on in here?!?
   
SpinDizzy
  SpinDizzy on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 07:45 PM UTC

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat's...urp...what I forgot..."Butt...I digress"...urp
   
MattWidder
  MattWidder on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 08:41 PM UTC

kubicki Factor, Peter!

http://www.kubicki.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ibgWV96H3A

/blacklist Peter for forgetting the name of my bass
   
PeterWard
  PeterWard on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 09:18 PM UTC

I was just going to say is that that kubicki Factor?
   
Sapphirestudio
  Sapphirestudio on Tue, Jul 5, 2011 @ 10:34 PM UTC

That was a Star Trek episode..The Kabuki Factor. Jordi gets crabs on Resa!
   
joel_sattlersongs
  joel_sattlersongs on Wed, Jul 6, 2011 @ 07:20 AM UTC

How do you know when you've been eviled out of a project?
   
MattWidder
  MattWidder on Wed, Jul 6, 2011 @ 05:31 PM UTC

"How do you know when you've been eviled out of a project?"\

My guess is you will not be able to post a comment or upload a track to the project.

/removes Peter from blacklist
/adds Sapphirestudio to blacklist for bass reference to crabs scenario when the actual scenario-the Judy-The-Groupie- factor occurred in 2001.
   
Sapphirestudio
  Sapphirestudio on Wed, Jul 6, 2011 @ 05:59 PM UTC

My applogies Matt, did not know that this was your bass ( all basses are sacred to me) But this is also a Star Trek episode that I'm working on the film rights to ( the crabs will be hideous and three stories tall!) But I'm honored to be on the "Blacklist" as the man says, any press is good press! Nice bass by the way!
   
SpinDizzy
  SpinDizzy on Wed, Jul 6, 2011 @ 08:34 PM UTC

It's a cute little geetar Matt...took three of them glued together to make the neck on my seven string. So tiny and fragile...big clown crush you. I could use that head stock thingy for a pick. Makes your hands look huge...chicks dig that! :0)

Your's Truly, the soon to be heavily blacklisted minor clown,

Dank Spinatra
   
Hot-Blood-Ed
  Hot-Blood-Ed on Wed, Jul 6, 2011 @ 09:06 PM UTC

Getting back to the "Blocking the Mother-In-Law" feature; If we can find some kind of App that hides their BROOM they soon learn that they cannot travel, there by limiting their ability to visit.
   
40milecreek
  40milecreek on Thu, Jul 7, 2011 @ 08:30 AM UTC

LOL
   
VRun
  VRun on Thu, Jul 7, 2011 @ 10:04 PM UTC

i now have one evil member blocked. :) oh...it felt good.
   
SLV
  SLV on Fri, Jul 8, 2011 @ 10:23 AM UTC

I think we can all agree that contemplating the idea of a block list is sad. However, losing members because one or two people can't control their behavior is equally sad.

Unfortunately, the alternative to the block list is site banishment for offending parties. In my experience (based on a similar incident in a motorcycle related forum), banishment only instills division, and distrust of "The Management".

The ability for individuals to block other individuals allows the Kompoz management team to participate as members without the stigma of being the big boss man (Which is an excellent funk band by the way!)

I personally think that the ability to block offending people is the best solution given the choices.

I do believe, as Spiderman's uncle said, "with great power comes great responsibility". Maybe the "Block Evil Members" link should come with a pop-up button warning the user about the severity of the decision.

I also think that this feature deserves a follow-up review in 3, 6 or 12 months to make sure it hasn't soiled the environment.

By the way, I have a lot of opinions about a lot of stuff. Just ask me!!!!!
   
Raven85
  Raven85 on Fri, Jul 8, 2011 @ 04:14 PM UTC

Well done Raf!
   

 

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