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Thoughts on Americans
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 03:34 AM UTC
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bjorn
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After having been on Kompoz for a while and also having travelled a bit in my day, I have come to an interesting conclusion, which probably is interesting only to me, but it does help to kill some prejudice and I love doing that :). We (Europeans in general and Swedes in particular, I think) tend to have some kind of condescending and honestly quite arrogant opinion of Americans. You are cultureless, internationally ignorant and generally a bit stupid and you like to invade countries, wave flags and look for communists under your bed. The funny thing is that I have also heard these opinions (or at least a couple of them) repeated by Americans. They are of course entirely untrue, and being on Kompoz, having had the opportunity to collaborate and chat with several American musicians, only reinforces my conclusion. Granted, you did elect George W (twice), which maybe was not the smartest move you have made :) (I am Swedish, so what do I know about American politics anyway? Feel free to disagree), but I took a closer look at our prejudice items and none of them hold true for any American I know, on Kompoz or elsewhere. Culture: yes, American culture is a young one, compared to for example Sweden, but that allows it to become the melting pot that gives us blues, jazz, and several other musical styles that we Europeans later tried to imitate (sometimes with good results). So thank God that you don't have a 1000-year old history that ties you down :) Ignorance of the surrounding world: To this, I say: bullshit. I have not met one single American (except a drunk taxi driver in San Fransisco) to whom I have had to explain that Sweden is not Switzerland. Knowing where my little 9-million people country is - and what it is - is actually quite an acheivement. I can't even name all the new Balkan countries, and they are way closer to me than Sweden is to you. Invasions, weapons etc: Why is it - again - that none of my American friends are for any of that? It cannot be statistically possible that I happen to come across only the pacifists or more intelligent people, who may be patriots but are definitely not war-mongers. I also have to say that I am generally impressed with the Americans' knowledge of American history. I can probably not even name the presidents that you have on the dollar bills, but it seems to me that you can all name every single president? Of course, I can name about 20 Swedish Kings, but that is cheating, just take "Karl", "Gustaf", "Erik" or "Johan" and put a number between 1-7 after and you will be guaranteed to have named a Swedish king. Prime Ministers are trickier... Where is all this leading? Nowhere, really, I was inspired to write this by a TV show that made fun of Americans here (and it was damn funny), and also it is a way to say a collective "Thank You" to all my friends in the US who have made invaluable contributions to my music and whose technically skilled, musical and creative performances never cease to amaze me. There is a willingness to take chances (musically) among American musicians that I do not see as often in the European counterparts, and that kind of spirit is what drives us all forward. There is also a more intense dedication to the task than we (or at least I) have. Thank you, friends and never forget that Oslo is the capital of Copenhagen, and the Swedes make damn good watches! Rock On B |
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Hear-n-Now on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
05:13 AM UTC
As THEY say, I only wanted to know what time it was and he told me how to build a watch....well very much appreciated Bjorn. Now this has been on my mind for awhile..... I think WE @ Kompoz should make you an Honorary "American" as you have showed US how much culture we may have and that how much everybody in the world is pretty much the same, thanks for fostering OUR cohesiveness. We in the States are just a little gun shy as it is widely believed that America is just a "front" for the CIA....if I ever make it back over to Europe I would love to Yodal my brains out and tour the ABBA museum, amoungst other activities such as selling "sandpaper socks" to the Dutch folk...ha ha, I jest!
Nothing like a good early morning train of thought derailment....
"To Bjorn the American" Hail Hail!!!!
ps - where are the Germans on this site? where is the rest of the world for that matter?
And to Rab, if your listening....no need to lower that Kilt to half-mast unless Pairs Hilton crash lands in a Hot air balloon in your back yard.
"more coffee Igor"
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Deleted_2008081401 on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
08:50 AM UTC
Interesting Bjorn.
Fortunately, I had the luck of going to a school whereupon the majority of pupils were American. It was back in the days of the cold war when Britian was ruled by a lady and America by an actor. There was an American naval base at the Holy Loch in Dunoon and the skool - Dunoon Grammar (setting the scene). What for? - who knows but I think they knew all Scottish people are speaking a distant form of Russian dialect and the fact we invented whisky as Russians did Vodka. Anyway, if it were not for these kind American pupils who grew beards at the age of 12 and looked about 35 (hmmmm...) and came to school wearing non-uniform (looking really excellent on skateboards with token 'ghettoblasters' on shoulders), I would have maybe gotten a girlfriend before 6th year and hence missed out on all my priceless education. For this - I thank you America :))
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Jessica on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
09:16 AM UTC
Very nice post B! You hit some very good points in your blog.
Here are some points about me:
*I didn't vote a Bush into office. I'm not fond of bushes.
*I am horrible at American History, I can't name all the presidents.
*Until I met you, I didn't even know where Sweden was, worse yet, being half polish/german, I didn't even know that both these countries were not too far from Sweden.
*I support our Troops, not the War. Too many kids are being killed for a war that lost focus years ago, I want them all home. However, I do also agree that when you see unjust going on in the world, if you have the means to help you should. I think most Americans feel the same way, I think allot of us hurt when we see others hurt, and want to help in some way.
**Lastly, and MOST importantly. Becoming friends with you has been one of the greatest things I treasure! I only hope that someday I will have the opportunity to shake your hand! I think when I first started online collaborating, I was naive into thinking that only "Americans" did this. My goodness I guess I didn't even realize how widespread music was all over the world. I think in my own naive way of thinking that I thought of all these different countries, with their traditional musical instruments and folk style music. I really didn't realize that there are people in Sweden that rock or even own an electric guitar! :0) Ok Ok.. I knew of ABBA.. but, to be honest, never liked their music.
So as you can see meeting you and hearing of your culture, has open my mind up. I have learned something from my Sugarest! ;0)
Thanks Again for a great post, that got me thinking! :0)
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raf on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
11:43 AM UTC
I also never ever voted for "W"! But let's not mix politics and music. Music has no borders, which I think is why this community has flourished.
Overall, American's are good people and have many of the same fears and dreams (for better lives, their children, etc.) as the rest of the world. I'm a first-generation American and I have had the pleasure of growing up in a family and in a community that knows what it means to lose one's freedom, homeland, and way of life. Not me personally, but my parents both left everything behind to escape political tyranny. Americans have it VERY GOOD here in the States. Many left not-so-good situations, which is why I think we're so insistent upon protecting our freedoms. But lately, some of our freedoms are threatened more by our own government (the current administration) than by our world neighbors. That sucks, and I hope that we'll collectively see the what's happening and stop focusing on perceived threats from the outside and recognize that we're being duped right here at home.
I've lived in other parts of this country and I've seen great people (Texas was amazingly friendly), and I've seen people with prejudices and very confused ways of thinking. This may be obvious, but the U.S. is so large and has so many different cultures within its own borders, that I don't think you can correctly label or classify Americans as one group, other than to say Americans love the country they have built. We're a patriotic group, to be sure.
Your blog post is interesting to me, because I've often wondered about what the rest of the world thinks -- not what the media says the rest of the world thinks, but what the real people think. I also find it interesting that a common bond (like music in our case) can help to open doors and remove and transcend the stereotypes. Individuals interacting with individuals ultimately find the truth clouded by the noise you read about or see/hear on TV.
You, Bjorn, are one of those individuals that make it possible. You rock. But I still think that Sweden and Switzerland are one in the same, and should be referred to as simply Swederland. ;)
EDIT: Regarding war-mongers: I'm not, nor is anyone I know. But I will admit that after 9/11 happened, I was shocked, scared, and pissed-off. We all were, and could not believe that it happened on our soil. After the numbness wore off, there was this mob-like obsession to go in and take out the aggressors. It was like a sporting event, when your team member got taken out (unsportsmanlike) by the opposite team. How dare they! We were hungry for revenge (yes) and to remove the threat. I don't think anyone expected anything other than a quick surgical removal of the bad guys. Instead, it has turned into a HUGE mess with so many deaths. No, we're not war mongers, but we somehow f-ed this up, and now it's hard to get out. What a mess.
EDIT EDIT: I think Bjorn is picking topics that will result in the most number of comments. B, you do know that there is no prize for that, right?
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Jessica on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
11:59 AM UTC
I agree with Raf 100% on his posting. Well said sir.
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Lonnie on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
12:33 PM UTC
EDIT: Political eradication unit
But I do think we are meeting the enlightened creme of the crop from every country here on kompoz. When the currency is artistic expression the marketplace is populated with creative thinking individuals that leaves little room for nationalistic dogma, mindless propagandist rhetoric, or hate.
In short, it's all about translating emotions into sounds. The first step in achieving this is to recognize feelings and emotions. You don't accomplish that with puffed-up chests and false bravado. And the absolute best emotion is love. We all are constantly trying to tap that resource.
America has it's share of blind followers of public policy. I gladly serve on jury duty everytime I get called because there is always, ALWAYS at least one idiot on the jury that says "if the police arrested him he must be guilty of something".
You, Bjorn are a wonderful human being and a dam fine musician.
Lonnie
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bjorn on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
01:42 PM UTC
Oh. Hmmm, I dont quite know what to say. Thank you for all comments. I am very touched by this, and I dont have any witty or smart words that cover this emotion. I wrote this more for myself, because it was in my head at the time, and was not really anticipating any comments.
EDIT:
Raf: WHAT do you mean "no prize for the most comments"? Here I am, looking at Kompoz as one big competition for the MOST everything, and now you tell me... typical Americans.. hahaha
Lonnie: You must be the brother I didnt know about, do you also look a lot like the postman? The phrase "proud to be ignorant" would make an incredible song title!
Jessica: I LOVE you.
Quote from the Residents: "Ignorance of your culture is not considered cool"
Music is truly a unifier, and you are my dear friends.
Now, I have no more words, I need to ROCK a bit :)
Rock On
B
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Deleted_2008081401 on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
02:09 PM UTC
Coventry is very warm at this time of year, warmer than last month anyway. You know - this is just like being at school :))
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dogbizkits on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
06:19 PM UTC
Kev, how did you know I regularly inflate a hot air baloon in my back garden - or that I perform this "act" because of the dream I had of Paris Hilton landing on top of it ?.... you're scary, dude!!! Anyway... of the Americans I either know or have met, I've found them to be amongst the most polite, considerate, witty and intelligent people around. It saddens me to hear Americans being brought down so much by ignorant bigots on a hate mission. So, well said there, Kev, Raf, Jessica and Lonnie. And, Bjorn, you have demonstrated once again your impeccable character. Folks could almost believe you're of Scottish descent.
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Sid on
Wed, Jul 23, 2008 @
09:05 PM UTC
I didn't vote for Bush, but I was born and raised in same state (No, he's not a Texan unless somehow Texas has annexed New Haven). BTW, W. was only elected once and Bjorn, you left King Peter Forsberg off your list. I don't like war either. As others have suggested though, our troops deserve every ounce of respect and support we can muster.
One thing that I have observed is that humans always gather in groups of like-minded people; tribes, if you will. When a tribe intrudes on our tribe, we get defensive. This is instinctual and an ancient tool for survival. Those of us that are...um...civilized, recognize our bothersome instincts and try to rise above them. Those that don't still want to protect their turf at any cost. It's easy to condemn another society or country just because they are perceived as different. Further, the myths we humans tend to cling to, no matter how irrational we know them to be, are pretty powerful and tend to cause serious problems. Everyone tends to think they are righteous at the expense of those who are deemed unworthy. Who gets to choose who is unworthy? Wayne and Garth? Laurens Van der Post said, "Human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right."
My point is that despite what you may have been told or what you may perceive about a certain tribe, until you meet one of the members or hang with the group, there is no basis for deciding that the tribe is somehow bad or wrong, they're just perhaps slightly different from you. If you dive in to explore the culture, you might find out some amazing things that you would have otherwise never found because you were too afraid to try. Music is a great example of that; food is another. The discoveries are endless.
Oh well, I'm not even sure I'm making any sense. Anyhow, Bjorn, thanks for the great post and to all the rest of you for the great contributions to this thread. And, as always, thanks to Raf for bringing us all together. It is a pleasure being a part of the Kompozarian tribe.
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billy on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
07:15 AM UTC
Abridged version:
clearly I am late to the party. let's see... where to begin. Thanks B1 for the comments. Americanus Honorarium to you. I'm thankful to Raf for the opportunity to take part in this cross-cultural experience called Kompoz.
(PS. Rab, baloon is balloon, unless it's really full of hot air, in which case it can be spelled ballloooon)
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Jessica on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
10:21 AM UTC
Okay okay!!!! Breathe everyone! I think that there is one remark on this post that matters the most, and that was "I LOVE you."
Seriously, if we all just took this type of attitude about each other, all the time, then there would never be any problems. Ok, so it's a far fetched thought, that has never worked.
But at least here at Kompoz we can do that. So therefore, I love you all! So there.. lets spread some love guys! Lets leave the political bullcrap at the door, and just go back to enjoying the sweet music that we all make together! Ok? :0)
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Lonnie on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
11:32 AM UTC
Jessica=Love
Edit: Polital Eradication unit
I was ripped off a couple of times when I was in my 20's and had to do some real soul searching to get past suspecting every one of my friends of being the culprit. It was my first real lesson in the value of forgiveness. It benefits the forgiver much more than the forgiven.
Sid, you're a deep deep philosophical fellow. Wish you were my neighbor so we could play cribbage and talk about life's truths, I like the way you think.
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Sid on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
04:35 PM UTC
Lonnie, if you were my neighbor, I'd take you up on the offer and bring with me some Casa Noble Añejo (a little Mexican culture), 'cause I wouldn't want to come empty handed. Thanks for the kind words!
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PeterWard on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
04:35 PM UTC
I love you guy's
Shut up and play.
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billy on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
05:12 PM UTC
Abridged version:
This being a music site with some reasonably intelligent members it seems like maybe the open exchange of ideas is a good thing.
I'd rather play music too.
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Jessica on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
05:27 PM UTC
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Lonnie on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
06:25 PM UTC
Pete I respect you as a musician too much to let politics matter to me. You and Jess are right, this thread would be much better if we all went back and edited the politics out of our entries. Wouldn't be that hard, for me it's one paragraph.
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raf on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
08:41 PM UTC
Dang it. I think Bjorn accomplished his goal of getting the most number of comments in one blog post. Oh dang it further -- I just added to the comment count! I'm gonna have to blog about sex to beat his score.
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Jessica on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
08:43 PM UTC
Or these panties of yours, i'm still in shock. :o)
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PeterWard on
Thu, Jul 24, 2008 @
11:32 PM UTC
Lonnie, I respect you in the same way.
Good idea, done.
Jess, panties? I think your the only Girl in this thread. Unless one the guys has some sort of fetish.
Bjorn, Thanks.
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StuartC on
Fri, Jul 25, 2008 @
04:54 AM UTC
We Australians see Americans as [being like] our first cousins. The kind of relationship where we don't always agree...but we are family.
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Brannon on
Fri, Jul 25, 2008 @
03:33 PM UTC
We had an exchange student in high school from Sweden. Sadly, he was nicknamed "Swiss". I suppose one of my classmates is driving a cab in San Francisco these days.
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bjorn on
Fri, Jul 25, 2008 @
03:38 PM UTC
Well none of you will ever make that mistake again :). And if you were classmates with this particular cab driver, you are twice your age at least. Hmmmm. How does that work?
Seriously, thank you all for your comments, this is also very educational for me.
Rock On
B
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