dirke / chris hudson 12 days ago
Perhaps the seasoned members who lay down the seps or original audio track to start a project can answer my question. For example a rhythm track which is inviting vocals etc needs to be adjusted to fit the new lyrics submitted for the bed track. Is there flexibility to adjust the track to fit the new lyrics. Or would this be a strange request. Are we meant to fit the lyrics to the fixed track as it stands or is there willingness to redo the bed track? If some people resist making this change can someone else be approached to adjust the track instead or is this poaching on another project? Your thoughts please.


     

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sriracha   commented 12 days ago


It's not a strange request to make. It's the sort of thing you work with the proj owner on. If the proj owner needs to have changes made to accommodate a singer who's contribution requires alterations, then it's up to them to work with the contributors to get the changes made. That may very well require a different player if the original rhythm player can't make the changes. It may also be a simple matter of editing which the proj owner can do. I think the key is communication.

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JustVera   commented 12 days ago


+1!

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jannik   commented 12 days ago


Do you mean you've added lyrics (no vocals/melody) to someone's collaboration and you'd like the project owner to change the arrangement to fit that of the lyrics? In this scenario I could go different ways as a project owner: - If it's a question of copy/paste/shorten a section here and there I'd have no issues doing it. - If I've been fortunate enough to receive multiple lyrics all of which might want me to write various bridge/break/whatever sections then I'd probably wait until a singer comes along who is then able to create a melody for the verses and chorus and then write any missing sections. - If I believe that your lyrics is the one and only and I want to go with that; then I'd write another section :) As Sri says, it's all about communication: just ask :)

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Jodeenshead   commented 12 days ago


Or like how me and Jannik fell into "Fornicate Within Your Dreams". I wrote lyrics and Christene found them, she did the vocal melody and Jannik ran away with it to create a composition (with other players) that is absolutely extraordinary (pure art). Oh, and you just got the attention of some of the best collaborators on here to check you.....good stuff

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jannik   commented 12 days ago


That was a fun one Jodeen! :) I actually listened to it again not that long ago. Your lyrics on that song are one of the best I've ever read!

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Jodeenshead   commented 12 days ago


Once in a life time write...But they were just words until Christene and you gave them life...

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Jodeenshead   commented 12 days ago


Got one I keep to myself that a few people don't want to touch. It has a lot of racial slurs, but it has to do with people throwing at each other within "their own cultures". I like to write about the darker side of humanity.

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jannik   commented 12 days ago


Perhaps you'll get the attention of some of the melody makers here. I'm pretty useless at creating vocal melodies :)

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ShannonB   commented 12 days ago


There are sooo many ways this could go. That's why spinoffs are beautiful things! Some times adjustments can be made; others, they just can't. Some times people start to contribute to a project, then they get bored and just want to move on. Some times ideas aren't meshing; that doesn't mean the ideas aren't good, it just means flexibility is required, and perhaps bringing in extra people who can see all the possibilities. Flex, flex, flex, and have many different projects going at the same time so that none of them becomes your baby. :)

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liljoe6string   commented 12 days ago


wow Chris!! Amazing question! OK truth punch time> creating a bed track, like doing a rythm guitar track.. Takes a ton of time...it's no easy task to start adjusting that to fit someones lyric.. one altered chord can change everything in the structure.. Now having said that it may very well depend on the nature of the change.. For example if the lyrics to be fully realized need to have the verse extended.. These type fixes can be done in the DAW with a simple copy and paste..provide not other instruments have been accept(then it becomes a surgical affair) The point being, and will remain so, its far easier to adjust the words to fit But always fight for your ART! Best move is to contact by PM the project owner (gushing your love of their music) and make the request in as clear as terms possible.. And no it is never ever acceptable to grab someone else work.. to be harvested to fit your lyric by another.. its beyond bad form.. However.. some projects are setup as a SPIN project these are basically encouraging others to take and experiment with their creation.. That leads us back to the same point if the project does not indicate its a spin.. you must PM the project owner and ask permission.. And be willing to accept NO...and if their opposed to structure edits.. then use it as an opportunity to grow your experience.. in word craft > to make it work.. thats how we get better.. GL

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PolarBear   commented 12 days ago


Chris, .. interesting topic .. and you've some received good responses, eh? As someone who's seldom in the driver's seat, for a project, and am in the "contributor" role, mostly .. these kind of thoughts are in my mind, constantly. After you've brushed up against the same Kompozier, a few times .. I think you'll get a feel for what their tolerance/patience/endurance is for changing their song (IF that's what is required). Many here, in my opinion, are pretty open to constructive editing, .. especially, if it comes to making it more favorable for some vocals. The longer & more intricate, of any kind, that your contribution is .. makes for more effort on the song's manager, of course.

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PolarBear   commented 11 days ago


and sometimes, what I do .. just doesn't ping with the manager .. soo, .. that's mostly a quality issue, on my part.

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Echo-Project-Studio   commented 11 days ago


A lot depends on the resources a composer used to create a composition. A lot of sampled or MIDI work lends itself to adjustment. While live play can call for a lot of work to change outside the act of cut and paste. Most of the time if I offer a composition, asking for lyric and vocal, I leave it to the vocalist/melodist to choose what lyric they want to use based on the fit with their idea. I don't consider myself a melodist, even if I sort of hear it in my head. As I can, I'll make adjustments. Or if someone is interested in going another direction, I can be persuaded to open the comp to spin-offs. I'm not that close to the cuff with offerings most of the time. None of what I mention would be considered pirating. No one should simply grab a composition and run the same as not grabbing a lyric and running. That's not what "collaboration" is ment to be. Bottom line for me has always been to assist as best I can, but not make a single project a lifetime career.

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dirke   commented 10 days ago


Great feedback from many of you about my question. I've come to the conclusion that initially its 1. better and easier to just modify the lyrics to fit the existing bedtrack. If not then 2. PM the creator with a polite request. Failing that, 3. request "spinoff" approval and have a creator reassemble the bedtrack to fit the lyrics. This is based on all your input. Thanks.