smg179 / steverino what tha.!!!.#@@#!!! 1mo+22dy ago
question..(disclaimer....let me clarify for those who are weird.. this is about my collab cinnamon girl...if it was about you or anyone in paticular id claim that) question.. say i submit a lead of my playing on your collab.. it gets rejected as im not a great guitarist... (better than most just not the greatest well at least i play it myself anywho..) but in the spirit of perseverance, and i wanna help make your song the "bestist.".. i submit another lead this time i use my..say... "Frank Gambale library of licks""run them thru my ..Steverino .. "wall of sound" cab emulation station".. and toss them randomly together..then quantize the timing and then pitch the key.. and you accept it cas..well who wouldnt..?. does that make me the guitarist in your collab? il hang up and listen for the responses ..thanks.) p.s a simple " yes " or "no" is really all i need... *peace..) pss,, any lack of response ..(which im expecting will be the case.) ill then just consider it as a ...Hard.. "No Its Fake News" err Mus..


     

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smg179   commented 1mo+22dy ago


there is a whole lotta this goin on and im trying to come to terms with the fact that .. the world of music / songwriting is changing and the musicians Are NOT writing the songs anymore.. or even PLAYING the instruments,,!!??***.Wha Tha $#@*** But a bunch of jigsaw puzzle enthusiasts are.. (was that too harsh..? btw..how would you describe it? i think there should be a disclaimer when you submit if you are NOT the performing / writing. musician..imo cas i cant tell whos legit and whos not anymore.. its not that i dont think you're a GOOD jigsaw puzzle enthusiast its that you ARE a jigsaw puzzle enthusiast.. and i think we / I have the right to know at the offset.. otherwize it seems.. Shady... to me.. is it misrepresenting talent.? Fake music valor? am i wrong? im trying to " get with the in crowd man".. i dunno.? *peace. #fakemusician? *tomatoes please..) ...Lions don’t follow sheep..) #amiagullablenaivemusiciancasifeellikeit *peace again

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JayeshRaikar   commented 1mo+22dy ago


It depends on the perception of the individual The way I see it, if a person has come up with the framework of a song using the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle, then that person has simply arranged the Loops or Samples to construct the song and has not composed it. As long as this is maintained truthfully when the song is released to the general public or while collaborating with other artists, it's all fine. If credit is taken for something that has not been done, it's wrong anyways Traditionally, using Loops or Samples is frowned upon though, and that's a reality all are aware of. But that's a different subject entirely

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smg179   commented 1mo+22dy ago


Thanks for the response.. the problem that Iam having with this is that i think it should Be disclosed whether to me or us as contributors at the offset in the description .. Maybe a toggle widget..? so i can Or we can decide if we would like to Contribute

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JayeshRaikar   commented 1mo+21dy ago


Technically, introducing a Toggle Widget would be a headache for the person developing the site because then it needs to be debated if the feature needs to be for an entire project or an individual file (we have 'hybrid' projects) For the moment, I can only think of disclosing it in the Creative Brief proactively (that's gonna be a lot of work for me :P). But if it provides a much needed clarity to fellow Kompozers, it's worth the effort

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smg179   commented 1mo+21dy ago


thanks for "understanding" thats a great approach maybe a few "yes or "no" questions in the settings would work.. like.. Are you using loops ( yes / no) are you accepting loops ( yes / no) is this all real or a dream.?? ( Real / Dream) is this upload a loop ? ( yes no) seems easy to me..i dk

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JayeshRaikar   commented 1mo+21dy ago


That could work as well

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offthewall   commented 1mo+22dy ago


Hey man, I totally agree with you. The use of samples/loops along with MIDI instruments should always be disclosed. So often we get these Band-in-the-Box guys putting stuff up without letting on that it is, essentially, fake. These things should be disclosed even if the idea is for those instruments to be replaced by real ones. Just my opinion.

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smg179   commented 1mo+21dy ago


How many times i give the credit of A great song or part only to find out It was not even that persons work/ talent ..! Thanks for the response Its funny when ya hear “ oh thats.not the direction i had in mind .. only to find out it wasnt even a real authentic original bedtrack to begin with.. I kind of resent that ..taking critisim is one thing ..taking it from a phoney is another. ( im working on being more kind but i have a hard time in some cases .. my apologies). I want to hear YOU play ..YOUR MUSIC ..not some contribed misuse of anothers talent.. imo Its an important subject i believe *peace

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offthewall   commented 1mo+21dy ago


Some of these guitar simulations can be so realistic *sounding* but often, when you try to replace them as requested, you find that the part can't really be played on an actual guitar because the voicings are so wrong.

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offthewall   commented 1mo+21dy ago


Of course I make exception for the wonderful keyboard players who make it sound like strings or brass or whatever but at least you know they are doing it. No pretence.

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smg179   commented 1mo+21dy ago


Agree.. thanks for your worthy and insightful contribution to this thread.. stik around there may be things i wont know the answer to and you will.. *peace..)

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Midipunk   commented 1mo+14dy ago


It's the same on programmed drums, you need eight arms.

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smg179   commented 1mo+21dy ago


i guess this post isnt very popular for some.. cant understand why it wouldnt be.. tho.. im just tryin to "up my game" and become more acceptable in the kompoze world.. I dont care if someone does the loop ty dupe ty I would just like to know in advance so i know not to waste my time tryin to play better than Jako on bass or wolfie on guitar .. just to contribute to a construction kit bought online... come on man ... INTEGRITY..just tell us!

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BrendanB   commented 1mo+21dy ago


Agree 100%

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smg179   commented 1mo+21dy ago


back to my reality omg i may pull the plug this used to be a fun honest not so perfect place.. now its just gettin all hodunky ... if someone has a legit take on this subject of loops and how it would help to know ahead of time that they are uploaded or accepted .. id like to hear it.. again is it "real" ? loops..? i dunno.? i dont have an issue with them ..only not being told ..or someone hiding the fact that its not them playing....if it is then how are us honest playing musicians going to be a part of koolabin? the bar is set way to high when theres a cheat happenin..imo thats 3 beers in and a shot of firestuff while sittin at the bar shootin pool