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liljoe6string / Joey six 6yr+2mo ago
vox folks when your doin your thing always leave a lil room... for some solo stuff every song takes a break for some music to pour through..


     

10 people like this: AggroPhene, Hotjams, EmptyGlass, KimNobleMusic, ecopunk, shellofme, xvpusw, EdSilva, leesharp, liljoe6string

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leesharp   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Especially one of Joey's. They are a beautiful thing!

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


heh! heh! heh! I recently worked with a vocalist, we had to have a little chat. She is awesome, but when the song starts it is as if she is singing for dear life, and like if she'd die if she were to stop singing. She is doing great now and taking her time, and letting the song breathe, and even taking a breath herself during the song. heh! heh! heh!

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liljoe6string   commented 6yr+2mo ago


right on guyz! and thnxLee,, big comp coming from the master.. thnku ps lol Ed yea you nailed the vibe i get.. its like take a breathe!!

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Well... I must confess that in my teens I was the obnoxious guy, that wanted to lead the song all the way bulldozing right through vocals and all, so I am patient when things like happen. I remember what I was like. Today... I'd perfectly ok with you doing the solo in all my songs... heh! heh! heh!

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BrotherRat   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Ed said it well ... be it singing or instruments ... unless you are going for the 'wall of sound' effect .. let the song breath. Music is a combination of sound and silence .. use both.

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Yep... Someone told me that once... actually by the millionth time I was told, he did not put it as nicely as you have Ray. A lot of things I had to learn the hard way. For whatever reasons, I used to be so scared of letting go of my reverb. I never understood when people complained that I sounded "muddy", and I had a rhythm section that nearly used to violence because our songs used to have tons of "stop" on a dime, and silent count, and when that reverb go off, they were furious man... But hey! It took what it took for me to learn and I am grateful. It made me better.

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liljoe6string   commented 6yr+2mo ago


that why your so great ed you only try and add what the part calls for.. i could learn a thing or three bout that.. ((:

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Dude. I swear I learned it the hard way man... and it was not on purpose. Obviously I had some value because people wanted me in their band, but I had to learn to be teachable, but I am going to tell you what the "ah ha!" moment was for me. And it was not age... David Gilmour is the reason why I became a guitarist. I don't know why, but I was set on being a bassist (solely because I thought Gene Simmons's bat like bass was the coolest thing on earth, and the strings were pretty big, there were only 4, and it seemed way easier to play than a guitar). So... I started to "really" listen to David Gilmour, but not only the solos that I loved, but to the whole song, and then I started to love him even more... I learned that the beauty of David Gilmour's playing is not in the notes he plays... Is in the notes he does not play... And it finally donned on me that I was trying too hard. If a song calls for a C chord and that is all... S@$*!!! play a freaking C major and stop trying to find an 8th note off the scale.... So... Today... I keep it stupid simple. Amazing what can be done with only 4 chords and several different patterns of arpeggios, and simply by changing the dynamic of the song. I could never write a 3:30 minute song before because I over did in everything I did and could never resolve it in less than 5:30 minutes...

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BrotherRat   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Yes.... yes.... One thing I learned a long time ago (and this is actually due to classical music) is the phantom effect. Which is .... that if you play a thematic set of notes ... and repeat it ... then on the third repeat ... leave a note out ... why .... because once the brain of the listener is embedded with the thematic structure ... when it begins to repeat for the third time his own brain will supply the sounds ... this is hard to explain. But the effect is a phantom harmony the note his brain supplies .. combined with the silence (or even a harmonic note). If a harmonic note is used the listened hears a two note harmony which does not really exist (except in his brain). OK.. I didn't explain it well. Another way to explain it ... a well known song (Stairway to Heaven) begins with a certain chord pattern... but to the casual listener .. that pattern seems to repeat through out the song .. it doesn't.... the AM progression ... changes midway and for a third time at the end of the song. Some call this the phantom effect and I generally call this 'persistence' because it stays in your head even once it is not really in the actual music anymore.

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


This is David Gilmour 101 below.... "One thing I learned a long time ago (and this is actually due to classical music) is the phantom effect. Which is .... that if you play a thematic set of notes ... and repeat it ... then on the third repeat ... leave a note out ... " I for a long time I thought that David Gilmour's use of delay was what gave that effect in his playing. But it took a lot of listening to it, to figure out that he does something, similar to what I now and I call it "Island Hopping"... His freaking timing is so precise, that when you think he is going to hit the next obvious note off whatever scale he is playing, he manages to perfectly arrange his time and skip those notes, by either using silence, or extending the hold time of the preceding note... I was never into covers, so I did not learn it looking at tabs... I had to really listen close and say: SOB... that's how you do it, and then when you add delay on top of that, if the listener is tripping on acid you'll send him into a state of trance

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leesharp   commented 6yr+2mo ago


I totally get that Ray as I have experienced it. I have definitely taken something out in a song before but you still hear it. Funny things brains.

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BrotherRat   commented 6yr+2mo ago


It is a difficult thing to learn .. and shows musical maturity (I believe). Even in mix/mastering ... the habit is to beef up the particular track you are trying to integrate into the mix ... as you experiment with processing and effects) because you need to pick that rack out with your ears ... then you do the same to the next track, and the next track ... pretty soon you have them all beefed up and don't even realize it - you ears are tainted now and the music is clogged.

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Ray!!! Do you have a freaking spy camera in my studio? I just now learned the simplest damn lesson after 1,000 mixes doing it wrong. I always tried to work the mix around the "Hottest" track, and it was chaos. Then I learned... Work the mix around the "softest" track and build from there. If the "hottest" track is too hot. Darn it! Re track. You can't polish a turd. But yeah... It took me and I am not kidding a good 2,000 mixes to learn... Now my music rarely has any FX, compression, or limiter added to the individual tracks. Only at the master level. I work my butt off now to make sure that I keep quality tracks coming in... I forgot the whole "garbage in, garbage out" rule somehow...

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BrotherRat   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Yes.. it is true ... there was a camera there ... NSA ... but I once saw you naked at the keyboard and loSt my lunch over that ... so we killed that link. HAR!!

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Man... You know... I Kompoz in my pajamas if I know I don't have to leave the house, and my water heater was broken for about a month. I had to shower in my church.... every other week... my studio was so, so.. Funky... I was about to start playing Funk music just because of the smell...

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liljoe6string   commented 6yr+2mo ago


here here!!

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BrotherRat   commented 6yr+2mo ago


there there ...

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xvpusw   commented 6yr+2mo ago


where where??

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KimNobleMusic   commented 6yr+2mo ago


haahaaahaaa!!! TOTALLY.... GUILTY!!! :) :)

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DocDaFunk   commented 6yr+2mo ago


hehe

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


No way!!!! You too Doc?!?!? Please tell me that kind of stuff is reserved for the lowly Kompozers of my caliber. Not you...

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DocDaFunk   commented 6yr+2mo ago


:) Funk can only be played in underwear.... https://www.google.ch/search?q=Garry+Shider&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=657&tbm=isch&imgil=r4cNeiFOW5bZJM%253A%253BLejDtyxrQIODtM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Flasentinel.net%25252FGarry-Shider-of-Parliament-Succumbs.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=r4cNeiFOW5bZJM%253A%252CLejDtyxrQIODtM%252C_&usg=__DMlK6wWcd2Ie8DR7Mj5ira1T7wU%3D&ved=0CIkBEMo3&ei=I4i-VNzwBoTCPObpgLgC#imgdii=_&imgrc=r4cNeiFOW5bZJM%253A%3BLejDtyxrQIODtM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Flasentinel.net%252FUserFiles%252FFile%252F062410%252F23-garry-shider.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Flasentinel.net%252FGarry-Shider-of-Parliament-Succumbs.html%3B360%3B408

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Is this a virus? Man if this link crashes my computer and keeps me from Kompozing I am paying you a visit in Switzerland man...

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EdSilva   commented 6yr+2mo ago


That is hilarious! On summertime I Kompoz in undies, for sure, even worse, but I didn't know I wasn't the only one...

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AggroPhene   commented 6yr+2mo ago


I am comfortable with my excess in verbiage, cause I end up with so much on the cutting room floor. At least until I can keep an audience engaged for more than 5 min. But I am sure like Ed I will eventually learn my lesson. All the same, thanks Joey six, this comment was timed well to remind me to leave some room for deviance from collaborators in my latest rework of "Elements", which was suffocating on the first go around. I am looking for some mean guitar for the open sections, if any are interested and might want a good rapper as Shellofme also reminded me to use that vocal dynamic. It will definitely be a more raw (Rah!) version.