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BrotherRat / Ray Kaliss 5 days ago
I have to say that I am severely bummed out that there was a very political post here in community. I feel like an island that should remain un-infected by todays violent politics .. became infected. I would have felt the same way if someone posted encouraging a Red Wave .. a Blue Wave .. it makes no difference .. very strong emotions are on both side. No matter how one looks at it .. it is a critical time not only in American but also in other countries .. we can debate which side has been more violent, which side is telling lies, what kind of government is best .. but it is my opinion (and I am not alone) that we should NOT be doing that here. Some of us (including Raf) had agreed to a ban on politics in Community posts .. trouble and bad feeling had resulted in a political post before (the color of that post was Red - the color of the recent post was Blue). I ask artists to refrain from blatantly political posts that try to recruit others to their side /or/ demonize the 'other' side. The effort to create good music (art) should unite us and not divide us. Let the rest of the world fight in out (which I am sure will continue and get worse) let the rest of the world divided into tribes that despise each other, hate each other, and insult each other. But let none of us bring that infectious disease .. here. Let us artists, at least, respect each other at this critical time of the world. If anyone wants to start a separate 'Politics' area (not in Community) that will allow other people to be interested in or ignore .. well and good .. but not in Community which is meant for all to read.


     

12 people like this: Mozartemis, MikeJM, xvpusw, xterrabill, RickyD, TheOther, offthewall, fisherman, joel_sattlersongs, JeanToudou, GELECTRIC, JurgenK

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GELECTRIC   commented 5 days ago


Amen brother.

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LeRoc   commented 5 days ago


Making art is a political act.

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BrotherRat   commented 5 days ago


>Making art is a political act. Making political music is a free choice .. Hitler did it too as well as today's left and right. People can listen and like it or not. I am talking about proselytizing politics in Community posts - especially when the talk has no relationship to any music project and is proselytizing for one side or the other. I've done lyrics about exploring feelings of suicide .. as art .. theater .. but I am not here in Community trying to convince people to commit suicide (which I believe is wrong and useless) even if I can understand why some do it, even if I understand (but do not agree) with their motives. It cures nothing and makes all matters worse.

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LeRoc   commented 5 days ago


All music is political. Art is about expression, about diversity, about creativity, about inclusion. So naturally, good art can't stand fascism.

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BrotherRat   commented 5 days ago


Good art has also been used to promote fascism.

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LeRoc   commented 5 days ago


Nope, by definition that is not good art.

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liljoe6string   commented 5 days ago


your jjust mad you lost the house. you won you just dont know it. ((:

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BrotherRat   commented 5 days ago


I don't care about the results of the election .. not much will change with that .. I care about kompoz. I care about uniting people and not dividing us.

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RickyD   commented 5 days ago


I am with you Ray, I am done with politics now that the election has come and gone. I don't want to know people's political leanings because I am not big enough to not hold a bias. "C'mon Y'all, let's play"

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GeorgeSC   commented 5 days ago


Spot on Ray !!

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liljoe6string   commented 5 days ago


You already told me your a divder n cheif fan. Bernie has the ball rolling..America will be great in 2020 provided WallStreet & the DNC RNC cobal doesnt break their 2016 cheating record.

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IsmaelGuitarra   commented 5 days ago


Maybe you´re right. Maybe I should leave the community, because many of my songs talk about politics (like many other songs of Pete Seeger, John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Georges Brassens). I can save my letters, my messages for myself or other pages where nobody get annoyed. It is easier to me to leave away than changing the words, the thoughts I express. I cannot write "I love you, you love me, we all love the love". Believe me: I´m a reasonable and quiet person, so I don´t wanna offend anybody. But I can´t keep silent or stop writing. But I think as LeRoc: "Making art is a political act".

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RickyD   commented 4 days ago


If you don't know the difference between political songs and political discussion... I don't know what to say. This is coming from the guy who wrote and sang this https://www.kompoz.com/music/collaboration/797550/file/813153/3 and laso sang this https://www.kompoz.com/music/collaboration/829554

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xterrabill   commented 5 days ago


political posts/comments/reply's are SPAM and belong in a made group, political lyrics/songs are not....... that's right folks, imo its that cut and dry and that's how it should be in the rules, one sided or not. it just causes too much friction and will ultimately deter people from joining the site or make existing members leave. push the boundary's and just maybe it will end up that way. should I put that to a public vote on the community page? you know I will. I bet you know what the results will be. (not that it will change the rules, but ya never know) --------------------------- personally do I agree with the political views and read them?....most do I want to read them all over this site?...no if there was a political group, would I go read there?......sometimes oh my ....I am against freedom of speech...BullHockey! this IS NOT a United States of America political education web site! nor should it be! this web site is musical and global! joe, its great that you curb your political activist addiction from the community page and just one post here in what....2 years? Man that Vcoo! but you insist on bringing it up with almost every other comment everywhere on the site, (ok, I exaggerated that last comment a bit, but its starting to seem like it) its getting old man, Very Old. please tone it down if you can, I would appreciate it, I bet 95% of the members would agree with me.

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xterrabill   commented 5 days ago


again imo political lyrics and songs ARE NOT SPAM and should be and are most welcome and enjoyed!

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liljoe6string   commented 4 days ago


xoxox ((: next one will be in 2yrs!! lolol cheers matey!

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MikeJM   commented 4 days ago


I'm guilty of occasionally joining in on these discussions. I'm also guilty of breaking my silence on this site in order to do that lol The problem is not the politics imo. It's the disrespecting of others and the whole idea that "I'm good and you're evil . . . end of story." Are these things entirely separable? Maybe not. But I wish this would be a place where adults could openly debate anything, as long as it doesn't cross the line into spamming/flaming. But I don't care what the rule is on politics on the community page, as long as it applies equally to both sides. TBH I see some people here that complain about politics being posted - but only if its the politics they disagree with. And if you are going to tell me that one side of American politics is inherently divisive or offensive while the other is not (regardless of what side we're talking about) - well I'm sorry - you're against free speech! As a young person going to public college in California, I'm sick of this type of thinking. I'm sick of disrespect and ad-hominem just for having a slightly different point of view than most millennials in college. I don't need to see that on my favorite website in the world (Kompoz) as well. My number one rule is to not talk about these things to people who don't have an open mind or at least the willingness to listen without painting you as some sort of bigot for having different opinions. That's why I've ceased talking to some people on here about that kind of stuff, and still talk to some others. So yeah, maybe a new political forum where this stuff is only allowed is the answer. I don't know. Just make a rule, and be consistent about it. I don't care what exact rule. I don't even like to argue with people. And I'm also on hiatus on Kompoz, so maybe I shouldn't even be getting into this. But it gets tiring to see all of this everywhere I go. My .02 cents. Feel free to disagree, but I'm not listening if you resort to flaming.

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xterrabill   commented 4 days ago


I hope that was not about me mike, (I wouldn't think so) you know I said the same for the red flag waver. if you or anyone think I am against free speech and a bigot, that's your freedom to say so but I respectfully disagree. as far as this site being an open debate forum for politics (especially the community page), again I completely disagree respectfully, there are many other sites for that. if politics is a must for you and others, make a group and politely keep it there as was suggested by management. btw for all the newer folks reading this, mike and joe know that I love them, but I care for this site above all else.

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MikeJM   commented 4 days ago


No it was not about you. :) We of course disagree on the whole issue. Disagreements and not seeing eye to eye is what makes this world a stimulating and beautiful place! I am talking about some people (not on this site) who will talk politics but do so disrespectfully of people instead of just issues. I should have worded it better, I apologize.

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MikeJM   commented 4 days ago


And to be fair, if there was another political group I would probably never go there lol - not good for my already fragile mental health ;) Just get sucked into it sometimes. But nothing better than just getting out from your computer and seeing that we are not as divided as politics and media like to say. As far as rules, like I said I?ll leave that to RAF and the consensus here. I?m not a rule-maker xD

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RickyD   commented 4 days ago


In my never be humble opinion, this is not the place to discuss politics. Would you go to: 8 Outstanding Nonprofit Websites According to Charity Navigator 1) Project C.U.R.E. 2) Direct Relief. 3) Charities Aid Foundation America. 4) Child Aid. 5) Electronic Frontier Foundation. 6) Feeding America. 7) World Wildlife Fund. 8) World Vision. any of these sites to discuss politics? This isn't a political forum, period. It is a music collaboration site. Want to discuss politics with someone, ask for their IM or give them your email. Pretty simple, really.

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MikeJM   commented 4 days ago


If this is in response to me: 1) I respect this position. It?s not against anything I just said. ;) 2) I rarely discuss politics here. There are quite a few people who could personally ever need this advice before me. I feel it would be an unfair criticism it you meant it solely at me when others have politicized forums - including this forum - much more frequently. Plus, I have never STARTED any sort of political discussion. 3) I just respect any adults right to talk RESPECTFULLY about any topic here. You can disagree with that and that?s fine, but Im not propagating politics here just because I don?t necessarily disagree with people doing so. Again, apologies if this wasn?t directed at me or I misunderstood anything. I don?t mean to argue insomuch as make clear what I?m saying.

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RickyD   commented 4 days ago


It was not aimed at anyone, it was a rhetorical question. We don't go to ASPCA.org and discuss politics, do we? That is my only point.

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MikeJM   commented 4 days ago


And here lies another problem of politics on a forum - we always misunderstand each other through text lololol Apologies if I caused any offense with that comment. I respect your opinion and you respect mine . . . . Let's go back to making music!

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RickyD   commented 4 days ago


That is precisely the point! Rock on, brother!!!

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marshall2550   commented 4 days ago


I think if you can't disagree on politics and still be friends you have a serious problem. I have lots of friends who are "Blue" and it does not bother me. Does it make for some good banter back and forth at times? Yes! We are still friends at the end of the day and that is all that matters. I always let them know that I would fight for them to have that right for that stupid opinion :) I don't think we need to ban certain things on the community page ( unless it is funk music, LOL ). Anyhow, this is just my opinion and if you disagree, I don't care :) I still love ya :) Peace!

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MixerMick   commented 4 days ago


I disagree

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buzzmebergr   commented 3 days ago


I think it's a noble idea, but I'm unsure as to how practical it is in everyday life some of the greatest artists have had strong political beliefs and been persecuted for them. It goes to the core It's a powerful tool to express. At the very least there should be some diplomatic ground rules for engaging in heated discussions red, blue, purple or green you can still be an asshole End Of Story. You don't have to engage or get yo undies in a knot if you disagree with someone. I do understand the need to keep a music co-lab site free- but I strongly doubt it's possible.

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liljoe6string   commented 3 days ago


+1