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Kompoz Studio

Announcing Kompoz Studio
Because your music is worth it.



We're excited to announce our new service, Kompoz Studio, a brand new website designed for musicians who want more out of their online music projects.

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phraser   commented 13 days ago


Don't seem to be able to log in Raf?

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Nadir   commented 13 days ago


I think that you have to use your user instead of your email to login.

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raf   commented 13 days ago


Ah, that's a good find. I will add login via email. But short answer is: You should be able to login with your existing Kompoz username and password.

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raf   commented 13 days ago


Login with email address is now working.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 13 days ago


Am I missing something or is there no "compartmentalization" of VOCALISTS, GUITARISTS, BASSISTS, DRUMMERS, ETC ? For example.....I'm looking for a drummer and I don't see a dedicated section for drummers offering services with examples of their skillset. It's almost as if I were on this site and posted a want ad in the community section stating I'll pay $$$so much$$$ for a drummer on my uploaded track. Perhaps I'm just not getting the layout.......

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raf   commented 13 days ago


The idea is to post what you need (guitar player, singer, etc) as a gig, and the musicians will find you. Rather than the other way around.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 13 days ago


Okay. Thanks for the response. I'm still a bit bewildered though because that's exactly how this site works.....asking for players to collaborate for free.....instead of enticing them with money. You post your track and then specify " I need a drummer.....or I need a lead guitarist". I was hoping for specific categories of talents for hire like Fiverr......but better.

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raf   commented 13 days ago


On Fiverr, the sellers post gigs and set the prices. On Kompoz Studio, the buyers post the gigs and set the prices. This is more inline with the Kompoz model of crowdsourced music. I think it's a better model, because it will result in more ideas.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 13 days ago


Okay......then I'm wondering how the player who buys my gig showcases his skillset in order for me to even consider their ability? Also, wouldn't this result in waiting around for unknown periods of time before someone wants to buy your gig?

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raf   commented 13 days ago


The guitar player will upload to your gig. Hopefully many guitar players will. As the gig owner, you'll be able to sample each idea. You then pick one and award the payout to that guitarist. The gig is "open for submissions" for a set duration (you decide that duration as the gig owner).

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ipft   commented 13 days ago


I disagree raf. On Fiverr you?re not auditioning but saying have a quick a listen to my stuff cos I think I can help you. If you like it let’s try something. The buyer can see who has bid without anyone having to come up with something for a competition. They decide how much and whether the artist would suite the track. No work has to be done on the track at this point. They may even be prepared to pay more for the right artist. The model on KS is basically making people do work up front and then they may not even get the gig, which seems very much anti-crowd sourcing in my view. It’s like doing a job a month in advance and hoping you get some recompense at the end. Total lottery.

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 13 days ago


Can you buy one track - say just guitar - and then retreat to Kompoz.com with it to finish the song?

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raf   commented 13 days ago


Great question. Answer: Yes, absolutely.

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ipft   commented 13 days ago


Congrats on the launch, however as a someone who ‘does vocals’ I feel somewhat disincentivised by this type of model which seems geared toward the musician. It takes a lot of effort to come up with melodies, feel, emotion, write meaningful lyrics and also sing, provide harmonies, multi track etc. I’m not going to put that much investment in for a few bucks especially if after doing all of that I might not get paid or any of the songwriting credits. What am I signing over when’s gig is finished? Maybe I’m just not getting it. Fiverr is a three tier service for the ‘seller’. If you’ve written the lyrics and melody already and just want someone to sing for 30 seconds or a verse and chorus you may get some interest. However, if you’re after a minute of untuned and unbalanced vocals then you’re up to tier 2. Want a harmonies AND tuning or a mixed stem? (sucks teeth) ooh that’s gonna cost a bit more, tier 3 and up to 4 minutes. Plus you’re effectively giving up all your composition rights over to the buyer *unless stipulated.

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ShannonB   commented 13 days ago


I kinda think the songwriters will do all the paying. ;)

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ipft   commented 13 days ago


Songwriting (composition bit) is about the arrangement, lyrics, melody and rhythm. What the new site seems geared toward is sound recording.

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xd238   commented 13 days ago


+1. I think this only useful in the truest "for hire" vocal which the melody and the lyrics are already written. Which is definitely not the majority of the kompoz vocal efforts I've seen....

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ipft   commented 13 days ago


Exactly. Which takes the creative (and often inspirational) element from the vocalist. I’m not in it for the money anyway, got a day job for that haha.

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xd238   commented 13 days ago


I'm with you, I'm only going to work on things I am inspired to work on, it would have to be written in the same style I would like to do (not common for me here) and I am not sure adding $ would matter. However, I do see this as a way for mixers and mastering engineers to get paid something. And the skilled players. But some players may have the same ownership and inspiration concerns as well...

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Hines57   commented 13 days ago


Just wanted to wish you all the best with your new venture Raf! Is there a pretty good sized market for this type of site where professional music studios (folks outside of Kompoz) are looking for online studio musicians to help create demos and finished productions for their projects?

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DonnieAlan   commented 13 days ago


Looks great! Thanks, Raf & Co! Best music website on the planet!

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SimonW   commented 13 days ago


Interesting concept. Appreciate that the site is brand new and listed as being in Beta but I found that the gigs weren't loading when I clicked on the 'Play' icon. I'm getting a 'Loading...' message but then it just hangs there. Don't know if it's just me that's experiencing that or a wider problem?

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SimonW   commented 13 days ago


Actually, I can probably partly answer my own question. I've got it to work on Chrome but wasn't working on the version of IE that I was using.

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raf   commented 13 days ago


What version of IE?

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SimonW   commented 13 days ago


When I go to 'Settings' it's listing this info: 'About this app Microsoft Edge 44.17763.831.0 Microsoft EdgeHTML 18.17763'

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DantheMan   commented 13 days ago


Couple of questions and thoughts. Will there be gigs to do mixing and mastering? Also, if so, could this be for a certain number of hours or quantity of tracks or something? Just curious. Also, I would think that the number of "free" talent contributors will drop for the regular kompoz site and possibly the overall quality of free talent will also drop.

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raf   commented 13 days ago


Yes, gigs can be created for Mixing, Mastering, and Producing. I did not impose any limits on tracks or length. I think the market (price you're paying) will define uptake. In other words, if the work is complex and the price is low, you probably won't get any uptake. Re: Kompoz. Remains to be seen. But I've had a large number of people tell me they love Kompoz because it's for fun, and money would just ruin the creative process. So I've kept the two sites separate.

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xd238   commented 13 days ago


I don't think it necessarily means a drop in talent on the old site. Many are here on the original kompoz to *collaborate* and have creative input, which the new site does not seem to support.

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BergR   commented 13 days ago


This is kinda exciting. If people want to pay for performances I'm all in, not lying about the cost of recording gear and being a drummer is steep. Maybe a section for i/o format issues etc..

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raf   commented 13 days ago


BergR, glad to hear it. Tell me more about "i/o format issues". What does that mean?

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BergR   commented 13 days ago


Input =output. Quality going in will equal quality going out. Formats what size are recordings at 41k 48 or 96k? Songs with out clicks, count it's ect. Otherwise, I think it's a great idea. I hope people jump on board to make it successful. People will always be writing and jamming, for creativity kompoz.com is fantastic. I think the gig thing is great real world stuff than can coexist nicely.

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selaperforms   commented 13 days ago


Coolbeans

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JennyK   commented 13 days ago


I have some issues with the new site, not relating to the financial model questions(which may or may not work themselves out somewhat with time). I personally will have trouble using it, due to usability/accessibility problems and I'm a bit disappointed in the build tbh. Considering it's a maybe once in a while thing for me as it feels right now, maybe I don't need to be bothered, but, there it is. However, I thought I should let you know it's more difficult to use than kompoz proper. Comments are very hard to add, navigation is totally missing. If you want me to give you more on this, you'll have to let me know. Other than that, the lack of incentive for vocalist mentioned, does feel like a concern. Perhaps even a dealbreaker. but, in the end, congrats on this launch, Raf. wishing for great things and a minimum of problems. :)

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raf   commented 12 days ago


Hi Jenny, I would like to work with you to improve Kompoz Studio accessibility. I'll send you a direct message. -Raf

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 13 days ago


Okay......I've been on the new site and got the gist of it. Overall, it's not a bad format and kudos to Raf for getting it up and running. The one thing I may have issue with is the payout. The idea itself is good, but to commit to a guaranteed payout out, as long as a certain number contribute their tracks is real iffy to me. If I were to put the number at "3" and for the sake of argument, 5 people uploaded their track(s)......and I didn't like any of them and wouldn't use them......I have to pay someone because it's a guarantee? Do I have this wrong? I hope I'm wrong because if I'm right, it makes very wary to set up a gig.

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TheCadd   commented 13 days ago


My thoughts to, I'm all for paying for good talent and have done so many times through other means. The thought that paying up front for a possibility that at least one of the guarantee's tracks is going to be suitable is a bit of a gamble. I appreciate you can hear a sample of any tracks submitted but if all the samples are not good, being it through playing or recording quality, then the Gig owner loses. The new site is well laid out and straight to the point well done Raf, hope it stays that way and doesn't start to introduce third party advertising over time.

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VocalRun   commented 12 days ago


Well, it?s always that way. When I was 19, I did a demo at a respected studio. The producer wannabe hired a church choir to sing backups. After two horrible attempts on their part and much to everyone?s astonishment, I walked into the sound booth and fired them. I went back the next week and put down all the harmonies, backs and leads, each in a single take. They got paid. I didn?t. They were costing us their pay plus at least $60.00 an hour studio time plus Rocky Gribble?s studio rate plus they ran me out of time for the second tune and I had a to rebook. (Guitar legend). Online or live. Always a gamble. I had fun firing them this week though. Grownups should perform better. Haha.

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raf   commented 12 days ago


You don't have to set a guarantee. It's 100% optional.

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offthewall   commented 13 days ago


I had my first look yesterday. Picked out a project asking for acoustic guitar backing for a full song, with solos. When I asked "is there a chord chart available" all I got back was "No". Is it just me? Am I expecting too much from someone who has built a full song format and is willing to pay for a guitar player that they give a chord chart? Anyway .... just saying!

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raf   commented 12 days ago


I agree with you. On Kompoz and on Kompoz Studio -- the more direction and information you can provide to fellow collaborators, the greater success you'll have.

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offthewall   commented 12 days ago


The whole point being, with the Studio model, time is money. Yes? If someone submitting an instrument part has to work out the chord pattern and timing cues that can be a considerable commitment time-wise. Not so important in the Kompoz model. Food for thought for those setting up their gigs.

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Astronut   commented 12 days ago


In my own studio experience, the session player just does the job, regardless of what is made available to them. Sometimes you would get charts/sheet music, sometimes verbal notes, sometimes you are simply asked to use intuition. More input is great, but don't count on it.

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sriracha   commented 11 days ago


The model here is a bit different than that of a studio / session player. a session player shows up for a gig knowing they are getting paid, whereas here you are auditioning for the gig. As others have said that represents an investment in time on your part for which you may not get a return. I would prefer gigs to require bpm and key where appropriate (if you are only requesting lyrics I guess those could be omitted). I like having those even for mixing so I can setup my DAW to match the bpm simply so automation points are easier to identify. Beyond that stuff like chord charts are great, but unexpected: you rarely see them on kompoz so I wouldn't expect them on kstudio.

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ShannonB   commented 11 days ago


OK, I have a stupid question that I've been waiting to ask. How can you find out BPM and key if you really have no clue? (I mean when my son's not around to help.) Doing this three years, I still consider myself new, and even the simplest things are still a mystery to me.

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sriracha   commented 11 days ago


There's apps out there for your phone that can determine the key of something and even tell you the chords. How accurate they are is a question - I've never really used them. For key, I just play along and it's pretty easy to quickly come up with what the ley is. I like having it in the proj just because it simplifies things. BPM - well, many DAWs can detect bpm from the imported file. The accuracy is up determined by how complex the song is. If the proj owner was thoughtful enough to include at least 4 clicks at the beginning of the tracking mix (assuming they provided *that*) then you can use those 4 clicks to refine whatever the DAW detects. If you don't have something like that, you can do the math: look at a clock that shows seconds. Count the number of beats in a 5 second interval, then multiply by 12 and you will be very close to the correct tempo. That's how my high school band instructor would do it for conducting and it's a good fallback. If that's weird to deal with, you can get apps for your phone that will let you tap the beats and the app can tell you the tempo. It's just that stuff is tedious, and if you are dealing with more complicated songs where that stuff can change, then you really need a breakdown. In many of my songs, I use odd meters and changes those and the bpm and also key during the song. I usually provide a discussion in the prof with a breakdown by section with start time, start measure and indicate the key, temp, etc for each.

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offthewall   commented 11 days ago


"stuff like chord charts are great, but unexpected: you rarely see them on kompoz " I put up a full chord chart for all of my projects as a matter of course. In truth this stems from the fact that I always write the chords out when I compose for a song ...... I don't remember them if I don't!

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sriracha   commented 11 days ago


I think that stuff is great to have - don't get me wrong. I've done them when stuff is complicated enough that I figure it will help out. But I'm just as lazy as the next person when it comes to doing those. You are def the exception there. And good on ya for that!

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offthewall   commented 12 days ago


Another question about something that caught my eye over there. I don't see a member list. Is this only open to Kompoz members or to others from outside Kompoz as well?

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raf   commented 12 days ago


Open to the world. I am experimenting with placing paid ads on other sites, leading new users over to Kompoz Studio. The for-hire model opens new doors, fresh talent.

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DantheMan   commented 11 days ago


I kinda understand that submitted auditions are kept private, but I'd also like to hear them when accepted. (Even if I am not involved in the gig.) (Maybe a 10 or 15 sec. snippet of the accepted audition and only able to play, not download.)

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raf   commented 11 days ago


That's a cool idea. Yea, I keep going back-and-forth on this. Pros-and-cons. Need to think about it more. You're idea leads to interesting options (snippets, time-based, after some event)

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 11 days ago


I submitted a track a few days ago in order to gauge "ease of use". I had to do it twice since, for whatever reason, my aif file wasn't opening for some folks. I resubmitted in WAV and there were no problems. I recommend users here to randomly pick a song and submit a track just to show yourself how easy it is. Even though there's only a limited number of gigs right now because the platform is new, try it anyway. Gig song not in your style? So what. Try it. I did and found it to be as easy as Fiverr ( with the exception of uploading pdf lyrics ).....and for all I know, that may be just as easy as uploading your audio track. Raf will have to answer that question. The only thing all the gigs have attached that I won't do when I finally list a gig is the guarantee. I want to really like the submitted track(s) I choose and don't want the limitation of being forced to choose a track I may not like. The audio "snippet" thing being discussed is something I'll avoid. I wouldn't want to put anyone's effort out there on front street and make it a community competition. That's just me. Other than that, the platform is extremely easy to use. What it needs is obvious. OUTSIDE TRAFFIC.

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raf   commented 11 days ago


Thank you for jumping all in! I really appreciate it. With regard to PDF upload: Yep. Same as uploading an audio file. With regard to guaranteed gigs: Totally get it. It's optional, for that reason. We'll see how many users opt for that.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 11 days ago


Good to know about the PDF files. Thanks.

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Midipunk   commented 11 days ago


There's only one gig asking for drums and the three most magnificent elders of the tribe are already there. Seven days left. Would the site benefit more for me banging on it tomorrow or pissing off? I want to help and sometimes backing off is the best way.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 11 days ago


Go for it. Even if it's just for the sake of getting "hands-on" with the new site and format. I submitted a track to a song I normally wouldn't play and it already had 9 submissions. Now, I'm comfortable with the platform. I have no regrets doing it.

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Astronut   commented 11 days ago


If you have something special to offer, it won't hurt to send it up. Latin styles aren't in my wheelhouse. :)

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raf   commented 10 days ago


Today there are 3 drum gigs. ;) .

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DocDaFunk   commented 11 days ago


I think that this site could evolve into a great tool , But it's for almost complete tracks that need a final touch and where the ''project owner'' has a clear vision of what he wants I feel like there's no point to post ''work in progress'' or it's gonna turn into a paying Kompoz version Now there's no way i'm gonna do a writing job in addition of tracking a + 5 mn track (especially when all the track is a copy\paste) for 20$ , knowing that i'm retaining any composition rights when (me a very average player) i cover more than the double for 16 bars when i work with Hip-hop producers That's where i concur with OTW , i want a chord chart , clear instructions or at least feel that the project owner has a vision Not sure bringin competition on skills is already a good idea but i don't want to compete with a dude that is ok to work all day for 20$ (not even guaranteed) The lack of media to communicate is also an issue , i understand that the ''secrecy'' is a part of the site . So what about creating''a private session'' between the project owner and the uploader , so they can communicate on the work (this implies that the project owner already gave clear ''public'' instructions)? I understand tho' that the concept is a lil biased because of the ''free money to give'' trial and probably when it's gonna be people's money they might post more complete project . Still i think this should be explained to the future ''posters''

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raf   commented 10 days ago


All valid points. It remains to be seen what price point will be the average for new gigs posted (after the beta period). Today, I see one for $60 USD (that's encouraging). I am betting that low-priced gigs will get low attention. Higher-proved gigs will get more attention. Relative to the effort required, of course. That's what free markets demand.

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DocDaFunk   commented 10 days ago


60 $ now we talkin'!! I like your concept Raf , it's an '''inversed Fiverr'' where the project creator is priviliged compared to the ''submiting musician'' It's now a question of tweaking the balance

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Midipunk   commented 10 days ago


To top it off the $60 guy only wants first verse & chorus because 'it's all the same after that'.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 10 days ago


I'm an average player, song writer, etc....yet, I could ( and have done so in the past ) complete all my songs on my own. If they weren't Instrumental, I'd go to Fiverr and have someone do vocal tracks. I listed a song on the new site needing drums first, bass second and vocals last. I'll tweak my own solos is I conclude they need improvement. For right now, they'll do......but like I said, I'm an average player. I'll also add keyboards once the drums and bass are done. I listed the song simply to collaborate. I don't need to. I want to. I want to include people on the site to participate. I'll also price what that track is worth TO ME. Too low of a price? That's fine. Keep moving until you find something worthy of your time. Don't like that I disagree with a "guarantee"? That's fine too. Keep moving. There's plenty of guarantees up there at the moment. Worse case scenario for me is that I'm not satisfied with people's efforts. It's okay. Hell, I'm not satisfied with my own results most of the time. I'm not looking for perfect by offering 25 or 30 bucks. I'm just looking for tracks that make my ordinary Rock songs sound better than I could've done on my own. If it doesn't happen......I'll live.

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Midipunk   commented 10 days ago


I downloaded your guitar track but couldn't make anything happen. The Chappelle Show barbershop skit came to mind [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AH-Dm-sDgtE ]. My shtick is raunchy basement drums live all the way through, the listener thinking 'wow that's real drums' after a (hopefully) subtle mistake. Far less than average considering everyone has perfect drums nowadays. Knowing exactly what you want without demonstrating what you were listening to while recording and having nothing on your account for a dork trying to make you feel welcome... Dunno.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 9 days ago


??????? I read your post but don't understand what you were trying to get across.

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SimonW   commented 10 days ago


A few questions from me. 1) If I list a talent (for example, vocal) and someone provides it, how would I transfer the audio file across to the Kompoz collab that it would be used in? Will it just be a simple copy and paste? Will it require any technical abilities? 2) When the completed Kompoz track is then finished and uploaded to Soundblend, what is the appropriate etiquette on listing the people who have contributed? Would that hired hand be listed but with a 0% copyright? 3) One more general point that occurred to me. There will be occasions where maybe 4 or 5 people will have contributed to a Kompoz track and we just need that one elusive additional talent. If each member of that collab was willing to put money towards it then that would greatly increase the viability of paying decent money to complete a song. Will the site facilitate an easy way for this to happen, or would it require one member of the collab to go around and arrange for everyone's payments? Would be neat if multiple people could agree to the Kompoz Studio offer and the money automatically be split once the talent is received

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raf   commented 10 days ago


1- Download it from Kompoz Studio. Upload it to Kompoz. In the future, I might add a bridge to publish files from one to the other. 2- Totally up to you. I suppose it is like liner notes on a CD / Album. 3- I am planning exactly that. Both ways. Users can split cost of posting a gig. And Users can work together to submit to a gig, and split the payout.

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DocDaFunk   commented 10 days ago


Let me share few thoughts: from the musicians that want to join the project , i want to have a precise idea of what the project owner wants ,a real guitar- guitar vst track - chord chart would be perfect If i see that on ''classic kompoz'' i'll never join tho' How many time u got invited on a project and the dude treat like u were a payed session player? Now we'll be able to say ''Sure , let's go to Kompoz studio''! The project owner himself should feel more confortable asking u for redoing stuffs (ad nauseam) Still need to get a clear answer on that one , but if u can actually override the copyrights laws with Studio then we have here a new model... That could interest A LOT OF peoples

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Astronut   commented 9 days ago


"The project owner himself should feel more confortable asking u for redoing stuffs (ad nauseam)" This is an important point. If it's a $20 gig and they ask for revisions stretching over weeks, it certainly wouldn't be worth the time. Perhaps some sort of limit should be in place. Isn't it common on Fiver to set restrictions on the number of revisions? As much as you would want the song to be the best it can be, getting paid $20 and expected to be retained into servitude for an indefinite amount of time/revisions isn't a good plan. Maybe the creative brief could/should address this. An example might be "I'm offering $30 for a drum track with the expectation of up to two takes."

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raf   commented 9 days ago


That's a good idea.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 9 days ago


The player(s) submitting tracks CONTROL how many re-submissions they make or don't make. On Fiverr for example, the person being paid IN ADVANCE for their gig has already posted how many revisions they are willing to do. If I'm buying someone's services on Fiverr, I ALREADY KNOW how many corrections they are willing to make before I decide to "hire" them. No one is in indefinite servitude for any amount of money. I assumed ( on Kompoz Studio ) that WHOEVER got the final nod would either submit another take for improvement's sake or be asked to do the same. I see no problem for either party at that point in the game. If it is a problem, regardless of what's being offered for the gig, then why submit anything in the first place?

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Astronut   commented 9 days ago


I understand your point, Dave. My point is perhaps setting in place a limit (time or revisions) so that you don't get stuck in perpetual revisions that use up a LOT of time (our most valuable commodity). :)

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 9 days ago


Understood. As a player, I wouldn't be willing to do that even if the gig payed out pretty well. For an example, my song needs drums. I've had 2 submissions so far. Regardless of how many different drummers submit a track for consideration, I don't expect any of them to submit more than their original submission.....UNLESS they wanted to. In a perfect world, I'd have a bunch of one-time submissions and that at least a few were what I was looking for. Once I decided on a track, more than likely it wouldn't need any improvement. If it did need a minor tweak, I'd request one and would never have the intent on monopolizing someone's time and effort for $25. I know, as a player, if I'm REALLY INTERESTED in a particular song that I submit a track to, I'll do my very best to submit a track that is able to be used just as it is. A ONE-AND-DONE more or less..... Hope that makes sense.

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Astronut   commented 9 days ago


Absolutely. Thank you. :) Your track is great, by the way. \m/

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 9 days ago


I wish that were true, but thanks. I need to fix the solos for sure, but I'll do that after the drums, bass and vocals. In truth, I wish I had picked a better song to upload.

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ShannonB   commented 9 days ago


Is that the one that is "Hunter"esque?

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 9 days ago


Am I understanding this right? If someone writes lyrics for a gig or a melody for a gig - and it gets accepted - once they are paid $35 or whatever, they have no ownership - even if (for the sake of argument) it makes millions? I know that's no likely! But just want to be clear on that. Would someone who felt they came up with something that had real potential be hesitant to audition it on a gig where if they "win"they get $35.

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sriracha   commented 9 days ago


You have to look at this as "work for hire". When I was a consultant, if I wrote software for a company who was in turn able to productize it, and I wrote that as work for hire, I got paid my rate and done is done. I can't go back and say "yeah, but I didn't think you were going to go public based on from that - I want a piece". I'm not saying your view is wrong, I'm saying that is what the model basically is given the agreements, etc. Now, I don't know if there's anything in the agreement process that can adapt to allow publishing credits, etc. raf ?

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CoryFrey   commented 9 days ago


I feel one should have the ability to invite someone to KStudio projects. Perhaps tie it into the invite button on Kompoz classic. IE: an invite for Kompoz or invite for KStudio. I know it goes against your model, Raf. I guess we will see what demand folks impose for it.

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xd238   commented 9 days ago


+1. If/when I get to posting my own writing, I think that would be a feature I might use. Otherwise, I may have no use for KS. If an owner knows what they want and who has the ability to do it, they should be able to invite them. Otherwise, I will just stick with the old site and work in private.

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DocDaFunk   commented 9 days ago


It's a game changer for the ''hustlers'' Not everybody adopt the ''lottery approach'' when it comes to music (not criticzing i'm one of them) Some writes and records every instruments and hustles hard to get their music out there and noticed I can understand they don't want to give up all the copyrights for a vocalist that came with lyrics I don't see no fairness in the actual system , in what comin with a vocal melody is more ''writting'' than comin with a bassline?

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sriracha   commented 9 days ago


I've never checked: how does the EU determine what is copyrightable compared to the US?

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DocDaFunk   commented 9 days ago


Like we ever did something different ... TBH i don't know but i would be shocked if it's not the same regulations

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sriracha   commented 9 days ago


It is truly annoying that harmonic content and arrangement don't count for anything in copyright. :(

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DocDaFunk   commented 9 days ago


Exactly when they kinda ''dictate'' the vocal melody Same goes for the feel, the ''ambience'' and the lyrics This could be a game changer And u'll be able to keep your title for your song :)))

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sriracha   commented 9 days ago


:D

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ShannonB   commented 9 days ago


I love song titles! Lots of times that's what inspired my lyrics! So make them good! And meaningful if you can! "You" in the general sense of course, meaning everyone. :)

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sriracha   commented 9 days ago


not to totally derail this thread, but when I'm writing I have to have 2 things, a drum part and a title. I sketch out drums as I am working on the guitar and then gotta have the title to bring it alive in my imagination.

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DocDaFunk   commented 9 days ago


Shannon , i'm aware that u generally NOT speaking to me It hurts inside me but i try to hide it as best as i can But please don't rub salt on that open wound

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ShannonB   commented 9 days ago


Mwaaaah. You (specific) know I love you! (Again, specific)

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DocDaFunk   commented 9 days ago


Shannon i'm not sure i will be able to keep my stuff together This emotional roller coaster is takin' a toll on me

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ShannonB   commented 9 days ago


:))))))))

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xd238   commented 9 days ago


Yes, If you don't *write* the vocal melody and the lyrics, then its a collab as for as how I personally think of it - "The band" wrote the tune. Of course thats me, thats not copyright law...

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 9 days ago


Yea - if I were a musician - arranger - producer I would not be happy with the current system - it's def not fair. But frankly, it would be difficult to write laws that would be fair in all cases. Lots of subjective variables. Seems they could do something though.

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DocDaFunk   commented 9 days ago


Those laws were written when music was produced in a different way U'd need session musicians , arrangers ,mixing engineer...etc that were well paid , there was big budgets everybody was eating The model has now totally changed , u won't get signed (ripped off) today , if u don't have already done a lot of music videos with a lot of views, if u don't have already build by yourself your fan base And as Raf said u'll make money out of touring and merchs.Artist used to tour to sell their albums now it's the other way around... The hard work isn't the same anymore and it's not the same peoples who do it KompozStudio could be a great tool for those new workers of the industry

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 9 days ago


Hey Doc, could I tour with you? You bring you bass and I'll bring a typewriter:):)

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DocDaFunk   commented 9 days ago


I think your onto something! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxCQ2KbmSGA

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 9 days ago


nuttin new undated da sun - and I though I was being orginal

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 9 days ago


I can only speak for myself. I'm a hobbyist with music. Most of my music is done with me doing everything because I'm a bedroom recording musician. I'm a one man band most of the time because I know of no other musicians in my area who just want to record......and just want to record classic rock. That's like the double sword of death. If I present a reference track that's a complete song and pay others to contribute to the track, I don't really care if I share "rights" with the collaborators ( paid or not ). To me that's splitting hairs, especially since I'm a damn journeyman player. WHOEVER writes the song should get credit for writing it, but that doesn't mean it can't be shared. I don't do this to become known or even heard by a lot of people. I do it because I like it and because it's an outlet. So......just for the record.....I share rights and expect the same. After all, we are all amateur musicians trying to make the best songs we can.

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sriracha   commented 9 days ago


Right on - which is what kompoz is about. To be fair, studio is a diff take on it.

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ReggieB   commented 9 days ago


Very cool

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CoryFrey   commented 7 days ago


Would anyone else feel the comments on the audition submission threads be hidden? Visible only to the owner and the submitter?

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Midipunk   commented 7 days ago


That would make sense since we can't hear the submission.

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sriracha   commented 7 days ago


I think the comments like "great", "very good", etc are actually ratings. Can other real comments be seen?

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CoryFrey   commented 7 days ago


Yeah go look at other gigs. The audition submission threads I believe.

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sriracha   commented 7 days ago


yep - I see now. I agree.

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raf   commented 7 days ago


What does everyone think? My initial thought in making them public is that they might provide more insight into what the gig owner is seeking. I realize that is a stretch since they are without context since you can?t hear the audio. I open to changing that. please weigh in.

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ipft   commented 6 days ago


Gig owner should be putting that kind of thing in the listing for all to see. Other comments should be restricted either 1:1 or 1:uploaders

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Midipunk   commented 6 days ago


In light of the "Pop Pop Pop" guy telling Figgy to play it again one count into where it's supposed to stop I wholeheartedly support public comments.

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sriracha   commented 6 days ago


After testing this out a bit I think there's a few improvements: - Add an opt in in the member profile to be "hireable" in studio. Then in studio not only show a list of gigs, but show a list of people by talent that are available for hire. Link back to their kompoz profile so someone can check out that player and their content to see if they are right. - Add an option to "hire" someone directly vs have auditions.

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raf   commented 6 days ago


For your 2nd idea, I will be implementing the concept of a private gig. Same general workflow, but by invitation only, and hidden from public view. You can choose to invite one or more musicians.

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sriracha   commented 5 days ago


I guess my point is that as it stands, KStudio is not much different than Kompoz. It's Kompoz with a promised payout if your audition is selected. Ignore all the stuff like you can't hear other's contributions, etc. The private idea doesn't change that at all. Those 2 things could be done privately on Kompoz via a PM agreement to pay. If you really want to get the most needed talents (singing, drums) to work that hard, expecting that all for an audition they may not get paid for isn't going to succeed. There will be some amount of effort on peoples parts of course, but getting a vocalist is hard enough. Offering them a _chance_ to audition for something for pay is less likely to attract them than Kompoz itself - where they can express their complete vision and if it's not a match and they love it, they can do a spin off and still get their creative view heard. I'm suggesting go all in: create an option or flow for true session based work.

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phraser   commented 5 days ago


Does this change when taking account that Studio is not limited to Kompoz contributors?

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sriracha   commented 5 days ago


It is limited to Kompoz members, actually: you have to have a Kompoz account. Unless that's changed since I started the beta test.

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phraser   commented 5 days ago


Raf - 7 days ago comment "Open to the world. I am experimenting with placing paid ads on other sites, leading new users over to Kompoz Studio. The for-hire model opens new doors, fresh talent." Of course things may have developed since then.

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sriracha   commented 5 days ago


I asked this: ME: is the assumption that everyone here will have a kompoz profile? RAF: Yes. Both Kompoz and Kompoz Studio share the same user database. You only need one profile for both. Now that I read that again it doesn't say you have to sign up on kompoz, but rather whichever you sign up on, your profile is on both. Given that, I think my original point stands.

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phraser   commented 4 days ago


WIn win then?

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sriracha   commented 4 days ago


it's a mystery...

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ReggieB   commented 5 days ago


Do you have to offer to pay the musicians to contribute if you use their track on Kompoz Studio ?

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raf   commented 5 days ago


Sorry, not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

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liljoe6string   commented 5 days ago


I think RB's hittin the Green early.. lol sounds like hes suggesting a KompozStudio project with $0 pay offer? thats kompox. .lol

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ReggieB   commented 5 days ago


Joey,I guess I don't know what the difference is between Kompoz and Kompoz Studio,Do you ? seems to be the same to me,I suppose with offering $$ you could possibly get a musician to contribute on one of your tracks that maybe would not otherwise ,If that makes any sense

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ReggieB   commented 5 days ago


if I post a song looking for a guitar player ! And I get a guitar track I like and I use it ,do i have to offer a monetary payment to that guitar player, this question is for kompoz studio only

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ShannonB   commented 5 days ago


Do you mean transitioning a track from kompoz to kompozstudio? Like adding in a preexisting track?

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sriracha   commented 5 days ago


I read this as "Do you have to pay the people who already contributed on Kompoz proper if you use the resulting track on Kompoz Studio?".

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raf   commented 5 days ago


I'm sorry, I might be dense, but that still does not make sense to me. On KS, you're soliciting new tracks. So, by definition, it does not exist on Kompoz. Right? I might need more coffee. ;)

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sriracha   commented 5 days ago


lol - let me expand: I read it as "I posted a track on kompoz and people contributed and now I've posted on KS - do I have to offer to pay the existing contributors?" But RB ought to clarify really - I'm just guessing after my 16oz of coffee....

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raf   commented 5 days ago


I see. So let me try to clarify with a scenario. Let's say User A creates a Collaboration on Kompoz and Gig on Kompoz Studio, requesting a guitar solo. 1) User B contributes an idea on Kompoz but not Kompoz Studio. 2) User B contributes an idea on both Kompoz AND Kompoz Studio. 3) User B contributes an idea on Kompoz Studio but not Kompoz. In scenario 1, answer is simple. No payment needed. This is just regular Kompoz today. In scenario 3, answer is also simple. Pay the user on Kompoz Studio. In scenario 2, this gets tricky. Is that the scenario being discussed?

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ShannonB   commented 5 days ago


I guess the project owner would have to decide if he wants to pay cash or credit. :)

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ReggieB   commented 5 days ago


yes scenario 3,

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ShannonB   commented 5 days ago


So, you already have most of what you need, but you need K S for that one elusive track. The answer in that case would be "no" you don't have to pay for the previous work.

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sriracha   commented 5 days ago


I agree, but as I said, I'm guessing on the interpretation of the OP

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ShannonB   commented 5 days ago


The ones who "freely" contributed get credit instead of money. So your project is a mixed bag. :)

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ReggieB   commented 4 days ago


Are you saying on Kompoz studio ,nobody ever gets paid for anything

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ReggieB   commented 4 days ago


I'm not looking to make any money on this site,I don't need it

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ShannonB   commented 4 days ago


No, I'm saying on plain old kompo z nobody ever gets paid.

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Midipunk   commented 5 days ago


The option to waive payment and direct funds to keeping this site alive probably wouldn't be very popular but I can't be the only one that would be motivated by it.

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 5 days ago


That's an interesting idea. Also if anybody ever made big bucks from something created on either site -surly they should help the site out, voluntarily.

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Midipunk   commented 5 days ago


My logic is every time money changes hands on the internet a portion goes out the window, that would be three exchanges.

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offthewall   commented 4 days ago


Is there no facility at KS to showcase finished gigs? I was just browsing there and noticed that one of the earlier projects must have been finished and disappeared. Would've been nice to hear how it turned out and to know who had won the gig after all the entries that were in.

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Midipunk   commented 4 days ago


Rest assured if anyone 'won' it was you, I'm a fan.

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liljoe6string   commented 4 days ago


Its just moved into a next phase...and off the list cause its not open for more auditions.. There's not been a final decision made yet still pending. then it maybe visible again.. not sure??

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offthewall   commented 4 days ago


Nah ..... I wasn't even in it. Just watching to see how this thing works. I would've expected a "finished gigs" tab in the menu somewhere.

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JimmyJamJamJimmy   commented 4 days ago


The whole purpose for KS is to attract outside players who aren't already involved in Kompoz. The new site will need to time and promotion for that to happen. If not, it would mean you're paying the same group of players on one site to get something you could've gotten for free, from the same group of players, on the other. If I'm mistaken, then I'm apparently missing something.

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offthewall   commented 4 days ago


But there seems to be no way to 'sign up' for membership for outsiders.

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sriracha   commented 3 days ago


If you don't have a kompoz.com account, when you go to the login page, you have a chance to create a kompoz.com account from there. the sites share the same user base.

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ShannonB   commented 3 days ago


Will new people know that the login page is for new people, and not just members? I mean, I know if they explore, they'll figure it out, but they might be looking for the "join" button at first.....

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sriracha   commented 3 days ago


Most web sites that have accounts of some nature have a login page from which you also can create a new account. I don't know that it won't be confusing, but it's a common paradigm.

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ShannonB   commented 3 days ago


Works for me! I'm the exploring type! :)