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raf / Raf Fiol 2mo+16dy ago
How am I spending my time in quarantine? Thinking about and working on Kompoz. I have some exciting ideas that I am exploring and fleshing out. I'd love to hear your ideas too. The "Kompoz Studio" experiment has fizzled. While I am disappointed, I am also encouraged by what I have learned. I plan to apply those learnings now to Kompoz.com. I've decided to go all-out and rebuild from the ground up. I am not interested in simply patching what we have. This will be an entirely new platform. I don't want to be constrained by the architecture or design of the current platform. I'll work towards a "North Star" goal, then figure out how to migrate users and collaborations over to the new system later. I am calling this Kompoz 3.0 Here are a few of the ideas I am exploring... Today on Kompoz, all tracks in a collaboration are visible and downloadable to all registered members. This has scared a few prospective musicians away. The standard way to address this currently is to make a collaboration private, but then that limits who can contribute to your project. The plan under Kompoz 3.0 is to hide all project tracks. Only the project owner and any accepted/approved collaborators can view the tracks. So how does someone collaborate if they can't access the files? The answer can be found in the next idea below. Today on Kompoz, the "Help Wanted" feature of a collaboration is broken. Help Wanted listings never expire. And individual Help Wanted posts have no details -- no individual creative brief. Finally, they are not searchable directly. They are searchable indirectly, but search results lead you to the collaboration page, where you then have to figure out 1) is the Help Wanted request even still needed, 2) what specifically does the project owner want, and 3) what files do you need to download in order to provide a sep. With Kompoz 3.0, the Help Wanted feature will be elevated in importance. I plan to rename the feature to "Track Requests". As a project owner, you'll be able to create one or more Track Requests for your projects. Each will have a Track Type (Guitar, Bass, etc.), a creative brief, and zero or more file attachments. Track Requests will also have an expiration date (which can be easily extended by the project owner). The expiration date will make sure abandoned projects do not appear in search results. By the way, "Open to Anything" will be a valid Track Request type. I mentioned that Track Requests can have file attachments. This is how we solve for the first idea mentioned above. The project owner can attach -- let's say, for example -- a rough mix to the Track Request. A potential collaborator could then use this to work with to provide a sep. This approach has two primary benefits. 1) The project owner does not need to expose all of the project tracks to members -- just files that are needed in order to fulfill the request (more to come on mix/master requests). 2) The potential collaborator does not have to spend time trying to figure out what tracks are needed to download in order to work. It's also time to update the site's audio player. Under Kompoz 3.0, the audio player will be more like Kompoz Studio, whereby it attaches to the bottom of the screen, and slides up/down as needed. With the new Audio player, you'll also be able to mark and comment on regions of the waveform. The current Kompoz platform has a similar feature, but it's not easy to use. What about incentives? How do you get people to contribute to your projects? This is one of the biggest challenges on Kompoz today. With Kompoz Studio, we attempted to solve for this with money -- paid "gigs". This worked extremely well for those who created them, but I recognize that not everyone has the means or the desire to pay others for work. Kompoz 3.0 will not have paid gigs (at least not initially), but I am exploring other incentive options. There are many patterns that can be found online: points systems, badges and gamification, reciprocal work arrangements, etc. Building the right "social" model into Kompoz will be important. Which leads to the next point. Community features are important for collaboration. I am exploring chat options, better moderation, social media sharing features, and push notifications. --- These are just a few of the ideas on a long list of ideas I am tracking. I would love to hear your thoughts and ideas. This is your chance to influence the next iteration of Kompoz -- our collective platform. Let's make it awesome-r. --- Oh, and just for fun, I've included an optional Dark Mode, to make it easier on your eyes while in the studio.


     

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SpinDizzy   commented 2mo+16dy ago


All sound like good ideas to me. As for your first one though I would be happier if that was a feature you could toggle off (fine if it's default) if you wish to let nature take it's course. +1 to both a better player and community feature improvements. Spinister NetDizzy

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xterrabill   commented 2mo+16dy ago


I agree with ya spin, being able to toggle your project to open (all can see) will have benefits, for instance showing new folks how things work besides leaving things comfortable in these changing times. edit.. what I meant is all can see, all can contribute, all can download. the way it is now toggle maybe with a green light in the corner showing it easily to everyone.

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raf   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Agreed. I'll make it completely optional. A simple toggle at the project level.

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liljoe6string   commented 2mo+16dy ago


couple of ideas> I think you need to advertise FOR DIRT CHEAP on Craigslist/under Musicians wanted. A shite load of folks scan there looking for a band to join. What better way to find new Kompoz members than players already looking to make music and getting frustrated with lame offerings.. Nice slick ad,, which would have to be married with an OUTSTANDING VIDEO of introduction. Script written by current users, who know the upfront barriers.. Change the offering to join to a 3months free all access.. More will join on a paid basis once they get a taste. Lastly the search aspect must improve.. goodluck buddy!

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raf   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Yes, I agree. User onboarding is KEY and I need to make that a focus.

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ATLdrums   commented 2mo+16dy ago


IMO, you will fundamentally alter Kompoz if you hide what others have posted from public view, and not for the better. It is great learning to hear how others have approached projects (both good and bad), both their instrument and mixing contributions. That is what collaboration is all about. Closing those developments off for the Kompoz world to see and effectively moving to a purely private collaboration site is quite a different animal than current Kompoz. And to make such a change for a few folks who did not join because they did not want to post publicly does not seem like a good reason to do a complete site restructure (those whom are afraid to post and take the risk of a critique are probably in the wrong business in any event).

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RickyD   commented 2mo+16dy ago


+1

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+16dy ago


I second that plus +1

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 2mo+16dy ago


And it's good to be able to download and experiment and grow even it you'r learning and not at a point you want to upload your efforts. It's a learning thing for guys like me.

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ATLdrums   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Plus 10 on that. Where else can one get access to such great raw tracks to play with in mixes?

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+16dy ago


For all of us and in my case it helped me greatly

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raf   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Finding the right balance is key. I do want to offer "track protection" for those who want it, but also provide "open collaboration" options. I think the "toggle" concept Spin suggested is a step in the right direction. I didn't mention this, but I will be including a way for project owners to publish featured tracks. So I'm starting to see a hybrid solution -- tracks are protected by default, but you can 1) make some tracks public, or 2) make all tracks public. And, the site will also have a "finished projects" gallery. Instead of having SoundBlend as a separate site, a similar concept will be native to Kompoz.

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SimonW   commented 2mo+15dy ago


I agree with this. The submitter can always delete his or her upload if it's not picked for use on the track

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BergR   commented 2mo+5dy ago


I concur.

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MikeJM   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Hey Raf, These are all great ideas! As someone who was never here during the "Golden Age" of 1.0 but has been quite an active member since late 2014, I have always dreamed of 3.0 as a return to the glory days and a great new frontier of this site! I will admit that my knee-jerk reaction to your post was "I hope you don't change too much of what makes this site so magical!" but as I read along I think these are all good ideas that, if done with the right balance, will be the best of both worlds. A few points I wanted to raise up (for whatever they are worth - just my 2 cents): The Help Wanted: As has been mentioned before (both by myself and - more articulately - by others here), we need a better way to get new members to become staple members of our community. Now, I understand that there are some people who don't really want to collaborate, and join without wanting to really be a part of Kompoz/just share their stuff or expect people to do things for free. I'd like to think that is a minority, though, and that a great majority of people who never take off here just need an extra push. It doesn't mean we have to radically change things, but perhaps some incentives could go a long way, like: - I mentioned this before: a page on the collaborations section which lists all the collaborations which are the first that a person ever started. That way everyone's first collaboration as a member gets bonus visibility. - Others have also mentioned doing things themselves, like making a group of people that welcome new members and guide them. Perhaps instead of being a volunteer effort by members of the site, this could be something official? Maybe a chat or system or whatever - that is totally opt-in - that assigns or connects new members with experienced members, as a "mentor" or help in collaboration system? Again, I understand the hesitation here, as what if people aren't willing to do it? But I think there are many of us that would like to someway - doesn't have to be exactly this - but connect with new members and guide them along - Another thing that is worth noting is to help with this, perhaps the groups can be enhanced? It seems like a lot of new members, to my experience, go and join there first, but on the flip side that's the last place usually us veteran members go. If we can make them more interactive, friendly, and stronger, maybe we have a better chance of retaining new members? Now, for the collaborations: I think these are some really good ideas on how to make the process more smooth in terms of collaboration. I'll be the first to admit that I haven't been the best collaboration owner in the past, and many notifications I have missed (that's not a Kompoz issue, that's on me). Over the last year I've worked on my skills managing Kompoz collaborations, and I think these additions will really help! No problems or suggestions here :) Lastly, on how to make this site more streamlined, friendly, and appealing: I think for it's flaws, the community page is pretty good, and definitely lets us share kudos and appreciation with each other. Yeah, I get that sometimes trolls, shallow political bickering, and Kompoz-related quarrels can sometimes be a factor, but I wouldn't throw out the good with the bad. I would definitely prefer an enhanced version of the current community page to switching completely to chat-based solutions. Maybe you could apply the gamification also to how much a user gives feedback to another that's positive and/or constructive? Sorry for the length here - I better stop now and add other thoughts later lol Just a lyricist who's very passionate about this site and want to see it flourish! Take everything with a grain of salt. ;)

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raf   commented 2mo+16dy ago


I hope I didn't imply chat would replace the community page. Not at all. Community page will be an important aspect of Kompoz now and forever. I personally enjoy checking out the community page.

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MikeJM   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Oh okay . . . no it's my misunderstanding . . . probably read through too fast lol Just very excited about this new adventure for our site, and hope we can optimize the best way to go about it as a community! Best of luck. :)

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minime   commented 2mo+11dy ago


The Chat is a fantastic idea Raf and i know here a member who is much more longer here then me and when i report him this i am sure he will like this idea !

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Kompoz is mostly and before everything a community ,mostly , those who leaves ,imo , are not leaving because of the hidden files it's because they didn't managed to feel they were part of that community We all came for different reasons and most of us stayed because the community Once u got that feeling of belonging to a community , u don't care if everybody can see ur files (yea maybe my non auto tuned singin' but i'm disgressin') Some of us try to contact in PM and give guidance to the newcomers and they're always warmly welcomed when/if they post the ''hello i'm new'' post I think that's where it plays If u don't want to invest in a team to do that , (some of us already suggested that idea) u could put in place a sponsorship program But i remember that in Kompoz 1.0 the starting page was cool because it was human managed , with the badges and new projects Maybe the feeling that there's someone who take care of the site instead of some auto-pilot could solve already a lot of issues You are throwing a lot of good idea (i don't think the hidden files is a good one tho') But if u asked me ,i'd say : fix the site (search and stuffs) hire a team. Thanks so much for everything u did and everything u will do Raf

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raf   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Kompoz 1.0 did have Staff Picks. I think that's what you mean by "human managed". It was tons of fun and I enjoyed listening to and selecting songs. But what you might not know is that I took a lot of grief for that from people (usually via Private Message) because the songs Steve and I selected where songs that *we* liked, and our tastes were pretty narrow. How about this: in Kompoz 3.0 I am thinking about creating the concept of "Collections", whereby anyone can create curated song lists, and we can randomly (or maybe based on likes) feature collections. Something that is a cross between a shared Spotify playlist and a Pinterest collection.

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MikeJM   commented 2mo+16dy ago


That sounds great! Yeah, tbh, there were some recurring names on the old staff picks. And to be fair, they were amazingly talented people, and it's no wonder they got selected! But I definitely would like to see the love be spread around, and I think this is a great idea that you just came up with . . . if I may be so bold (I know that Doc asked it, not me lol)

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Hahahaaa i was suspecting such things.... But i remember u were fair and got a turn-over on ur ''staff picks'' We all are kinda lost in this huge digital world and this kind of validation was very encouraging and heart warming I recall the pride it gave me to score one of those We all in it for the likes... I think at least having a lived up starting page , could get newcomers attention

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raf   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Totally agree.

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minime   commented 2mo+16dy ago


At first ! Kompoz is the best Music Collaboration Site in the net ! Thank you to you Raf and the team for this ! Better player and also these community ideas are fine and also an improvement for the Help needed and search function ! This thingy with the option of hiding tracks is in my point of view not a so good idea ( My Individual opinion - has nothing to do with right or wrong ) ! This community is awesome and people who are not happy with it i would say " Search the net if you find something better and i am sure we will see us soon again here " ! Very very good things can all the time better but there is a risk in changing things just because some do not like what it is now ! Take a look on the many who enjoy Kompoz everyday so as it is ! I repeat - my opinion - my own point of view - has nothing to do with right or wrong ! This Site is awesome - my opinion ! You Raf and the Team please Stay Safe !!!

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+16dy ago


I dunno Mini it's kind of a peremptory comment of ur Could we add it's just ur opinion?

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minime   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Maybe yes but this is just my opinion :-) ;-)))

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Adamplayz   commented 2mo+16dy ago


First off, I?m glad to see this portal is still evolving. I have tried a few other communities, Kompoz is my choice. To me, the strengths is the community. So I would focus on engaging new members, and keeping the existing ones. Which you are already excelling in. Let me mention a minor bug (or uncomfortable feature): when I download a wav track, it lands in another format which iPads cannot consume without conversion. Thanks for everything. Rock?n roll!!

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raf   commented 2mo+16dy ago


Excellent feedback so far, thank you. I'm taking notes!

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RobAsh15   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Read the entire OP... read almost all posts prior to mine. Fascinating thread. Left me a little shaken, I admit. The very idea of altering Kompoz makes me aware of exactly how fragile I perceive this.. thing we all have attached ourselves to... to be. And without striving to sound overly melodramatic, I've been through this a time or two before. Websites come and go. Even big ones. Happens all the time. Music sites are especially vulnerable to implosion. I won't even attempt to get into the why of it because it's different with every site where it happens, but it doesn't take a programmer to figure out some of the major possible reasons why a site like this could find itself in trouble. So my thoughts are that the transition thing is the key to it all. You've got to give the herd all the time it needs to shy up to this new site and sniff it out. I speak metaphorically, of course, but it is an apt comparison. I, for one, will want to know that this site... THIS SITE... is protected and preserved in case the new site fails for any reason. Because, for all it's problems, this site works. And the one thing that gets talked about very little that contributes the most to overcoming the shortcomings of the site is TIME. Stick around a few months and you'll figure it out. There are ways around any limitation the site as it exists now may have. I don't want to leave a site that inspires loyalty and love in me for something unproven. I will be happy and enthusiastic to give a new site a try as long as this one is preserved until we KNOW the new site is a success. Nowhere else online is the creation of a project and the management of artists and tracks easier than it is here. And the community here is a gift, pure and simple. For all my bluster and bravado, I am proud to be a part of it. That's a lot to gamble, is all I'm saying. As far as pimping the site? I already mention Kompoz every time it occurs to me. I could easily make that an imperative across all my web pages. I agree with things like the Craigslist idea. There are missed opportunities where all you'd have to do is get the fact of the site's existence in front of the right group and you'd pick up new members. I also agree that you need to give a newbie FULL ACCESS for a limited time... like 90 days or something. Let them get fully submerged, with one or two full-on projects going, and they'll volunteer to pay for a membership.

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


First, let me say that I am touched that Kompoz means so much to you. It means a lot to me too. The theme for me today, with this post, has been about lessons learned. I learned a ton from Kompoz Studio, and I remember the lessons from the Kompoz 2.0 rollout. As you may recall, we did a big-bang cutover from 1.0 to 2.0, and let's just say ... there were some problems. With Kompoz Studio, I was more cautious, and launched it as a completely different website. With 3.0, I'll likely launch it under a beta URL, and keep both sites active at the same time. I'll invite everyone to experiment with the new site before any cut-over.

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RobAsh15   commented 2mo+15dy ago


A sensible approach, Raf. It would be much appreciated by many, I am sure. Thanks for responding.

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minime   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Maybe i have there also a little idea/request for something new but that was here in the past ! The option " Anything and Everything " as help request / Project needs ! We had this option in the past and i think this was a good thing ! It has show me when i have look that the person who has request this " Anything and Everything " option is maybe also interested in an idea played with an instrument that is not listed in his/her Project needs !

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MikeJM   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Agree. Also I would add something a few of us lyric people have thought would be good . . . an option like that (anything) for the genre. I can't tell you how much confusion it causes when I say I'm open to any interpretation of my lyrics, but the genre above says "blues" or something similar . . . lol I understand why that wouldn't be added because it has a narrow audience that needs it (lyric writers). But still, would be helpful. :P

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Yes!

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Great point about Genre. I think I'll add one named simply "TBD".

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


For sure.

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RottGold   commented 2mo+15dy ago


"Community features are important for collaboration. I am exploring chat options, better moderation, social media sharing features, and push notifications." I think this is a very good idea... One of the most difficult aspects is getting your thoughts across to others who may contribute or getting their thoughts, before you attempt to contribute. Any sort of skype or zoom type plugin, could have you trying out a few things or jamming to a track while the project owner listens in, and says I like that or I don't like that.... that could save a huge amount of time for everyone. Basically virtualize the experience you would have if you were sitting with the other person in a studio getting live feedback on a track take. -rich

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offthewall   commented 2mo+15dy ago


A few notes. As one who weathered the change from K1 to K2 I got to agree with RobAsh about ensuring the transition to K3 takes nothing away from the present experience. As one who checked out K-Studio I found the privacy (secrecy) element was counter-productive. Example 1. After submitting a contribution and finding another three in competition it was impossible for me to check those out so I had no idea how I could improve on it. Example 2. I actually submitted a contribution and won the gig. I got paid. Great. But ... heard nothing more about the finished song and have never even heard a play of it anywhere! As someone who has always advocated some sort of mentor scheme I would fully support that idea. As you know (Raf) I still believe that bringing back and updating the 'new member' page would help with those who like to mentor and with those who like to bring the new folk into the circle in the easiest way. I believe, in any new version, that a small network of voluntary moderators would be a help especially if they could be drafted in from different time zones. If there were a problem that needed addressing starting from, say, Oz or Asian or Euro times it could possibly be sorted before having to await US time to come round. A agree with points on 'genre', 'instrument', 'time sig' being flexible. The easiest way to get this is to enable text input in the boxes rather than fixed denominations. In K1 I was able to type in 'bouzouki' or '120bpm at 3/4 time'. I seem to recall that in K1 there was a better layout to tracks in a project. There seemed to be a more logical setting somehow. Probably more later once I apply more thought.

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Good feedback. You mentioned something that another person also pointed out in a private message to me. You said... "...heard nothing more about the finished song and have never even heard a play of it anywhere!" I didn't specify this above, and it should be stated. If you submit an idea to a Track Request in the new system, and it is accepted, you'll be added to the project (just like today on Kompoz). You'll then have access to the project files and you'll see the project develop. I hope that helps.

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FingerFolkie   commented 2mo+15dy ago


I'd like to see a mandatory project-sync on each new collaboration, or ... at least a nag-screen if someone starts a project without one. It's so fundamental!

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Yep. Or at least better education and onboarding for new members.

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ReggieB   commented 2mo+15dy ago


will we be in danger of losing any files ,should we download all the tunes that are important to us ?

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


No danger of losing files. But you should always download your work as a backup.

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PabloGabriel   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Hi, I only take a moment to suggest 1) a radio kompoz and 2) a progressive membership: I propose that before having the collaboration of the community, new members enter a style of program where they must comply (for example), a minimum of collaborations with other older kompozers. I do not believe that the community should be at the service of someone, but: what can someone do for the community? 3) I have many more ideas, but I´m new here and I do not know many aspects. Sincerely !!! i love kompoz !!!

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PolarBear   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Thanks Raf, for looking into these new ideas. Everyone's different .. but, my guess is that quite a few people tend to prefer simplicity, .. especially, if they are new to this place. Softwares/websites .. I believe that it's common for the more basic tools, to be used all the time, .. the more intricate tools, .. not so much. With things clamping down, everywhere, such as they are .. more people might be looking into places, such as this, soon, .. however, it's setup?

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+15dy ago


It could be cool having a ''module'' for the chord chart something easy to fill and maybe in a pop up format so u can have it on ur screen when tracking

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xterrabill   commented 2mo+15dy ago


I might learn something....probably not tho

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


On Kompoz today, you can upload ChordPro files. This is essentially a text file in which chords are added within the lyrics in a special format (brackets around the chords). Kompoz will display these files correctly. I don't think anyone is using it. I'll look for other options.

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MDK   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Some thoughts: ChordPro does not take musical timing into account, especially if there are no lyrics. If I need three beats of Am7 and one beat of C#maj7 in a measure, there is no good way to do that with ChordPro. A chord chart on a staff at least indicate where the chords fall in proper timing. Some grid or staff on which chords could be entered would be nice, even if tracking on screen is not possible. MIDI can contain markers (text or chords or whatever) that would show up in the correct place, as long as your DAW allows MIDI import.

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MDK   commented 2mo+15dy ago


More thoughts.... so many people do not understand how useful MIDI is, and some just don't want to. I could post a MIDI file with no notes (only META events) for a project which contained markers, chords, tempo, time signature, key signature, lyrics, AND sync clicks. Import this to your DAW for the layout of the entire song, then add any tracks you want. Unfortunately some people are afraid of this wizardry (which has been around since the 1980's). More reading: https://www.recordingblogs.com/wiki/midi-meta-messages

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MDK   commented 2mo+15dy ago


But I digress... I think implementing a chord chart solution should be kept simple. Not everyone needs super-fancy bougie technology.

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minime   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Bravo !!! Marty - this is a mega clever solulution specially for more complicated Music where we have Key Changes ,Complicated Chords ,Tempo and / or Time Signature changes ! And all this in all DAW i know of without any problemes and the DAW is the place where people work in ! And the best thing with this idea ! People can upload and download Midi files on Kompoz ! Applause Applause !!!

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BergR   commented 2mo+7dy ago


Agreed. I afraid.

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MDK   commented 2mo+15dy ago


+3

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+15dy ago


I wasn't aware of those chordpro files neither of the metadata thingies wow

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ATLdrums   commented 2mo+15dy ago


How about a "community sep/mix reaction button" that enables all kompozers to select one or more of say 10-12 different feedbacks to a submission - both good and more constructive? This would replace a mere ambiguous "like" and provide the submitter with some direction on how to improve it, if needed. The feedback items could be things like "Great job - don't change a thing", to "Sep does not match well with the genre" to "Timing off" to "Muddy mix" to "Needs rebalancing", etc. The feedback items would have to be well thought through to be meaningful. Of course, anyone is free to submit such comments now, but making it a "quick reaction" button might encourage more folks to respond and give the submitter multiple feedbacks to take into account. Like many others, love this site and only want to see it improve.

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Interesting idea. Gerry had proposed building something similar, but more formal. Almost like a for "review my track" option, which would ask others to rate it based on specific criteria, across multiple factors. The responses could be anonymous so that people might be more honest. This could be a cool feature.

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LazyFrank   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Well, just like at the launch of Kompoz Studio, there are a lot of certainly good ideas buzzing around here. I made several comments on Kompoz Studio back then...without any feedback from RAF. Just like back then, today I have the feeling that an important thing is not taken into account. ( not to be considered ?) I think a big incentive for new members is that they want to present their skills to the public. Be it through their own songs or through their contributions to the songs of other musicians. But what happens on Kompoz ? The songs are finished and land on Soundblend. And as we all know Soundblend is a graveyard for our songs. Question: Wouldn't it be a great promotion and incentive for new members to see their songs published on sites that are known to a wider public? ( Spotify and the like... ) In the public nobody knows Soundblend. No one will sign up to Soundblend to listen to music or even buy music there. I personally like to give my music to friends, relatives or colleagues and I am always happy to receive positive feedback from them. It would be much more exciting if I could tell them: "You can listen to my work on Spotify (or whatever)". I'm afraid that new members may quickly get the impression that the work on Kompoz is a bit "pointless" if everything ends at the "Soundblend cemetery". So my idea / my approach is: Make the finished song accessible for a broad public, then new members will also make new contributions. Last but not least: I love Kompoz ! I will stay here as long as I can and will gladly pay for my membership ! There is no better site than Kompoz ! Many thanks to RAF ! Greetings to all and stay healthy ! Frank

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offthewall   commented 2mo+15dy ago


+1

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ATLdrums   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Good points. A lot of this is expectation mgmt. There are over 300,000 songs posted to Spotify . . . each and every week. Almost 16,000,000 a year. Unless there is someone with connections driving your songs to core playlists, very hard to get any meaningful breakout. The big labels pay A&R teams to do that full time for their artists and even they are challenged.

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minime   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Yep - So it is and not other ! ATLdrums is right about this ! Having a Song on a Plattform alike this will help nothing and when you find an agreement with your Collaborators everyone can do this without problems ! Do it and let the Community know about your experience ! Listeners .Sales and if you had really some kind of win ! There are sevices that can bring your ready work on all Digital Plattforms and one thing is a fact - these services will make a win with your work :-)))

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raf   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Publishing to Spotify, iTunes, etc. is not easy/free. The way to get on there is through a record label or a distributor. We talked about Kompoz becoming a record label, but that was shelved (for now). I have looked into building an API from Kompoz to various distributors (DistroKid, for example). Maybe we'll revive that effort. To be honest, that's not at the top of the to-do list for Kompoz. You, as an artist, can publish directly to those channels.

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LazyFrank   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Thanks for the feedback. And, yes, I know the problems with Spotify and such... It's not my concern to make money... I'm just an amateur musician. Maybe it would be possible to make Soundblend more popular? ( e.g. use by the public without the need of registration. ?) I also don't want to grumble too much... As I said before, Kompoz itself is great ! Unfortunately it has become really difficult to find musicians who want to participate. ( But that could also be because of the quality of my own songs ;-)

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offthewall   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Apart from its anonymity the big problem with SoundBlend is that anyone can listen to a full song with no restriction. No 'preview', no 'watermark', etc. These days if you can listen to it you can rip it. That doesn't exactly promote sales!

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LazyFrank   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Right, James

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minime   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Frank - For Indipedent Artists who want to gain listener Bandcamp can maybe a good Plattform ! I know some people who use this Plattform and they have a good or ok experience with it so far i know ! You can Promote your work with Preview Videos on Youtube and you can also use Social Media Plattforms to Promote your work ! This together with a link to your Bandcamp page and this can give you listener and maybe also sales ! Maybe something alike this is something what you could try out if you like !

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Would there be any value in someone in management (Raf or an employee) contacting college radio stations and alerting them to songs on Sound Blend. Those DJs may be more adventuresome and champion music not heard on "normal" media? Just a germ of a thought:) Maybe the best of SoundBlend for them to choose from!

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RickyD   commented 2mo+14dy ago


I'm with Frank! I, too am lazy. ;) I mean I agree with his input.

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BergR   commented 2mo+5dy ago


On target.

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Something that is highly overlooked is the educational side of Kompoz From the groups to PM's , mixing , sound , music theory , guitar theory ... u name it man i learned so much here There should be a way to highlight and group all of this and use it as advertisement too I understand it might not be a priority , just food for thoughts

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offthewall   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Great point, Doc. I can't believe how much I've learned from the interaction with the other members here. Not sure how it could be showcased, though.

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DocDaFunk   commented 2mo+15dy ago


Neither am i But we should think at something because the strenght here is once u get ''educated'' u can jump right on practice Not sure there's an other place on internet u can do that And this is priceless

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PolarBear   commented 2mo+14dy ago


Doc, James .. nice to read what you're saying. I wonder too, .. about an official mechanism here, for what you've mentioned. It seems like it's the one on one interfacing that's by far the most effective method of "education", .. too bad it's like that, though. People who come here, .. if they really want to improve themselves, .. to advance in this art .. they'll find it. .. :) Thanks, men.

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rafj   commented 2mo+11dy ago


suggestion :-) would love to find all the lyrics by the click of a button.....perferably a button that is named 'LYRICS' :-) just a place where all the lyrics are grouped ( and don't risk to get lost ) , like the ' just started' page , but then lyrics only.... so seperate the lyric only new ones from all the other new 'just started' projects by upload maybe give the lyric writer options to mark them unused / used butt open to re-use / used (and not open to re-use) of course the lyric writer should still be able to suggest/add the to them to projects now sometimes lyrics are posted as a new project , but with the lyrics only in the description , which makes them look like an empty project....or posted as a community post ....or added to a project that never gets a singer.... just hate to see nice lyrics getting lost ! Greets to the https://kompoz community , the best there is, and stay safe !

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MikeJM   commented 2mo+11dy ago


We may have not collaborated much (which is purely coincidental, because we've been active and away from the site at different times) but I just want to say that I really respect and appreciate the overflowing enthusiasm for us lyricists. Really makes me happy to see. :) Not that anyone regular on the site is particularly against us, but it's always nice to hear good things! And I for one, biased a bit I'm sure, like your idea. :D

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 2mo+11dy ago


Good idea!

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offthewall   commented 2mo+11dy ago


+1

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RobAsh15   commented 2mo+8dy ago


I can think of small things that I feel need to be added, enhanced or changed. Project owner controls, for one thing. - It would be good to have control over who can download tracks on your project. Specifically, it would be good if no one could download without getting permission. Which would give the owner the opportunity to set guidelines and conditions for the use of tracks from the project. - If a project is listed as an original song idea intended for commercial release, the project owner should be able to require a digital signature from any member desiring to be associated with the project. This would require that any potential contributor acknowledge and agree to terms and conditions specified by the owner prior to being allowed to download tracks or be associated with the song creatively. - Project priority in a general search should be based on date and quantity of contributions to a project. In other words, projects that are receiving submissions and being developed in real time (week-to-week) should top any search list. As projects grow progressively "stale", they sink on any search return list. But untie this from "Talent listings"... which need to stay active longer than they do. Consider an automated message prompting a user (every NINETY days or so) to update talent listings instead of having the project drop in search returns. A month is not all that long a time on here to wait for a track, or tracks. - There needs to be a third section, half way between "accepted" and "archived", where a track is "under consideration"... that allows a track to move forward in the production process while still leaving the position open for further submissions. Tracks in this area would NOT appear in the "accepted" tracks list for the project. - Project owners should have the ability to use category based descriptors to help how and when their tunes come up in a search for new projects. Style and genre of music would be one way to do this, of course, but such a group of settings could also include things like; level of seriousness of project, on a scale, say, of one to five. Five would be as close to a professional commercial release effort as a project here can get, and one might be a fun project that no one even really cares if it ever publishes.

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raf   commented 2mo+8dy ago


Thanks Rob! I am happy to report that many of the ideas you've suggested will be covered by the "Track Request" concept I described. We are aligned on your ideas of "controlling who can download tracks", "search prioritization", "accepted vs archived". On the other topic of commercial/pro songs, I'll give that some more thought. Thanks for you ideas.

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BergR   commented 2mo+7dy ago


Reading this, I wish I had more time in the day, but I can only spread so thin. Hectic-offline scheduling, that Rona thing, locked down. All the proposed changes sound good. Chat: is great if you all in same timezone. Being from the future has its perks though.

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Mysterian   commented 2mo+7dy ago


Hey Raf, firstly, thanks for continually updating Kompoz for us, providing tools and a warm and supportive user community where we can play. Personally, I found the jump from 1.0 to 2.0 strenuous, we lost a lot of the collaboration vibe, and it was a step jump. As a strictly amateur user, it feels like there?s a push to go more pro with 3.0... hiding contributions from others may make it more complex and stressier managing projects, at present the owner or manager has the option to decide how to run things. It?s never pleasant killing a direction or a submission that you don?t like, but the skills, tact and know how you develop over time here are a great set of life skills. Remove that and the experience is altered. I?ve met many people over the 8 (?) years I?ve been here, and it?s true, there are some characters who, perhaps ?over react?. All part of the experience. When I see a red flag, I bow out. No harm done. For me, there?s a clear divide between members looking for a professional recording experience and then something less, or in between. This is where the magic lies, I suspect, for most of your members. How you solve the problem of creating something for everyone is up to you. But please be gentle... the shift from 1.0 to 2.0 was... harsh.

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liljoe6string   commented 2mo+5dy ago


+1

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raf   commented 2mo+5dy ago


I foolishly believed that we could build 2.0 with very little community input. That was a mistake, as is evident by the "harshness" of the cutover. I've learned my lesson, which is why I am posting these early 3.0 preview videos. I also started a Kompoz 3.0 User Group to ask for feature suggestions and to talk about direction. I am aiming for a gentle shift to 3.0!

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Mysterian   commented 2mo+5dy ago


Hey, its all appreciated! Personally, I actually like using the "konnect" feature, and it annoyed me enormously at the beginning, so users CAN be wrong sometime. You can lead the horse to water... Here's to 3.0...

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MDK   commented 2mo+5dy ago


Raf, I've grown to really appreciate every little improvement that has happened since 1.0. I think perhaps 2.0 may have gone smoother had there been an extended beta test period prior to release to find and tweak any frogginess that may have occured. If beta testing is possible, I know there are a bunch of trusted members who would be willing to try to break it.

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ReggieB   commented 2mo+5dy ago


Hey Raf For me this site has always worked beyond my expectations,I know you'll just make it better.Keep up the great work