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rhythmicdevil / Steven Wright 1mo+11dy ago
I am trying to find a combination of technique, tone, and Fx that will allow me to mock a string section. I dont want to use a bow. What I am aiming to do is get something like the string section playing the arpeggios in this piece of music: https://open.spotify.com/album/0XNDUGaDVFUqjTQcXXaAR6 The first thing I notice is that the attack is really soft so maybe some kind of delay to leave off the initial pick.


   

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sriracha   commented 1mo+11dy ago


You can use a transient designer to reduce the attack, compression and eq to increase the woodiness of your tone - think of that sound Brian Mays got on Queen records. They didn't have transient designers but with compression and eq he really got a tight tone and doing multitracked harmony parts, well - they were perfect.

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GoYeah   commented 1mo+11dy ago


+1

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rhythmicdevil   commented 1mo+11dy ago


Awesome! Thank you.

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sriracha   commented 1mo+11dy ago


also, and this is overlooked a lot, your pick choice WILL affect the tone and attack. I prefer the D'Addario Black Ice picks, 1.10mm. Great texture for gripping the pick, excellent angle of attack on the string so less "chirp" and the material contributes to a smoother attack overall IMO.

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rhythmicdevil   commented 1mo+11dy ago


I'll have to take a look at that too because I've been using Dunlop max grip Jazz III. I like the size of the pick and it's nice and grippy, but it can (or my technique needs improvement) be chirpy.

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sriracha   commented 1mo+11dy ago


I think I'm somewhat of a pick nerd...I've got hundreds of different picks, from metals, to bone, to stone, lol. I have a pile of 12 sitting on my recording desk at the moment - each a different one and used for different things. I have an original Mind Pick sitting in a tray.... def nerd.

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rhythmicdevil   commented 1mo+11dy ago


I have a bunch too. When I started playing I just bought all different kinds. I was really into these dragonheart picks for a while https://www.dragonsheartguitarpicks.com/

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Treid   commented 1mo+10dy ago


Man you would love to work with me. So when I started working at my current job I had to learn a new DAW and also nobody was thinking about the pick they were using. So to kill two birds with one stone I got a pick from everyone on my team and recorded myself playing a note with each. Then I put them back to back and did a quiz to see if anyone could spot which is which. I can?t remember the exact results off the top my head but I do remember that most people scored 4 out of 10 and everyone matched their own pick sound correctly. Also I was able to bring to the light the idea of the chirp! As you mentioned. Essentially the harder the material the more chirp as the pick is acting like a fret and your hearing the sound length string to the bridge. That blew some of the other guys mind as they never even realized that was what that sound was. I also remember that the most obvious pick that everyone could recognize was the Dunlop tortex I think because it didn?t have a smooth edge like most of the other so it gave you a slight pick scratch to every note. I have been a red Jazz III guy for years and one of my coworkers uses a Jazz II and I was surprised at how much more I preferred the sound of the Jazz II. More bass response so I bought loads and said I would switch but I just wasn?t able to as my technique is pretty much based around that pick. Anyway yeah I am a pick nerd too!

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GoYeah   commented 1mo+10dy ago


In a total other direction : I used to use wooden drumsticks all the time ... up until the time I met a jazz drummer, using vinyl tips .... I loved the sound of them on cymbals ....and drumheads .... I now solely use 7a VicFirth vinyls ... and with my new Alesis electronic kit....it's perfect :) Yes, the type of accessories you use HAS an effect on the sound AND your performance.

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Aces38   commented 1mo+10dy ago


This is all very interesting. I often really hate the sound of the pick chirp... more often than not I play just with my fingers and thumb... including lead. Kinda like Andy Martin, the guy who does all the pedal videos.

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Treid   commented 1mo+10dy ago


I agree that the tone of the fingers and specifically the thumb is prob the best sounds you can get out of a guitar. . Beck and Montegomery come to mind with their super expressive tone. and it makes sense because it?s one less link in the chain connecting you to the sound. I palm the pick occasionally and will try and do it as much as I can in the studio. However it?s not a natural thing for me I don?t think. It?s usually a planned thing which I will decide to do in rehearsal unlike the volume pot or pickup selector which is just unconscious for me at this point. There are so many solos here on KOMPOZ where you hear CLICK right during a bend because I changed pickup. Anyway back to the chirp. Some players make it work for them Macalpine comes to mind as having a pretty chirpy sound but everyone loves a bit of T Mac right! I have to admit that I try to get rid of it as much as possible especially with the fact I am a pretty heavy handed picker. I also have treblephobia so taming the high end is the key I think. I know EJ used to go through and notch out loads of the highs in the studio. I could talk about this stuff for days on end.

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Aces38   commented 1mo+10dy ago


Treblephobia, haha :) Yeah Beck is a great example of what I try to do tho I wouldn't want to say "I play like Jeff Beck" :) I think the fact that I play a lot of fingerstyle actually helped me move to playing lead without a pick. Plus I always drop my pick when I try to go back and forth.

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Treid   commented 1mo+10dy ago


Treblephobia man? Its real and I used to have it really bad? literally roll the treble ALL the way off. now I don?t have it so bad. I actually played a show tonight in Hiroshima and I had the treble at 13:00. That said I was playing a Les Paul and spent a good amount of time on the neck PU. Had it been a strat then it would have been a very different story? It is kinda scary as it?s like when you get older your tastebuds die and things that you thought tasted like crap when you were a kid. Olives, Blue Cheese, Whiskey. Start to taste reasonable. I think it?s the same with treble man. As a kid I would blink when ever someone hit the snare drum and now I am just like unaffected by it? scary stuff

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GoYeah   commented 1mo+10dy ago


+1 you made me laugh, there, Tim

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Treid   commented 1mo+10dy ago


It was a show at an army base and I also made a joke during the set that they promised me I could go up in one of the jets but was unable to open the cockpit door so I just settled for using the gym and sauna instead. Then was told later that I didn?t have clearance to enter the hanger and was like. No it was just a joke. I need to just stick to playing guitar and not talk so much live or here on Kompoz.

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Aces38   commented 1mo+10dy ago


I know what you mean... when I hear a loud trebly sound I can feel my ears pulling shut, like some sort of physical defense mechanism. Tho I can't hear anything close to 20k Hz at this point. And I do like me some blue cheese and Lagavulin :)

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Treid   commented 1mo+10dy ago


Yeah it?s a horrible feeling. Like when someone soundchecks a snare drum and you have to keep closing your eyes every time they hit it.. the scary thing is that as the show goes on you get used to it but the sound doesn?t change. Which makes me think that it?s prob serious ear fatigue which is prob damaging your ears.

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rhythmicdevil   commented 1mo+10dy ago


I used to know a drummer that blinked really hard when he hit his snare. It was hilarious to watch.

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GoYeah   commented 1mo+11dy ago


I would like to share something that is directly in concern .... I have bought Eventide SplitEq ... you can eq tonal AND transients .... It is now my go-to EQ... I use it primarily for drums and guitars ... calm some transients and attack without messing the tone (which is so important to a guitarist!) I prefer using it to clippers .... I prefer using it on drums too as the attack can be sometimes strenuous for the ear ... and yet the tone stays the same .... I don't work for them, I don't get anything from anyone .... But THAT plugin is godsent ...and from Eventide, it' was a no-brainer.

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rhythmicdevil   commented 1mo+11dy ago


Awesome, thanks for the recommendation.