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MarsFortune / A D 4mo+17dy ago
Where have all the vocalist gone...


   

14 people like this: Hotjams, ramsinghelijah20, paranoia, DickHarris, EllenDXY, Octorez, elizabethauzan, Chris1970, CanyonsEdge, JonGarcia, JeanLui, acv1138, LynxAntares, EarlGray

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Hotblack   commented 2 months ago


To Fiverr probably......

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Hotjams   commented 2 months ago


Likely

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ChrystalKafka   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Lol

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MammaRainbow   commented 2 months ago


Personally, for me it's frustrating sometimes and I burn out on Kompoz. You find and fall in love with songs then you put all of your energy into writing a melody and lyrics and then if your audition gets shot down there's all of this weird negative energy attached to your work. Like, I almost wish I could just humm out a melody and audition with that, you know.

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sriracha   commented 2 months ago


I think we all know that side of it, regardless of being a singer or not. I've worked on guitar parts, leads, etc. for tunes and then either not gotten any feedback, or had the owner go with another performance. That happens and is a part of things. What people don't always get here is it is a community - a social platform - as much as a music chop shop. So you want to build relationships with folks. That helps get things rolling. YMMV.

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JeanLui   commented 2 months ago


I find it hard to believe that someone won't accept a vocal track in a place where there are more songwriters looking for vocal tracks than there are musicians. Precisely, in kompoz vocalists are needed (it does not matter if they are men or women)

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sriracha   commented 2 months ago


oh, I agree - like drummers, they are rare.Throw a rock here and you will hit a guitar player, lol.

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JeanLui   commented 2 months ago


Still, there are a lot of drumsplayers here.

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Octorez   commented 2 months ago


Ouch ! ;)

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Redfish   commented 2 months ago


Did you just get hit by a rock Octorez? Hey Billy - stop throwing rocks in here!

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Octorez   commented 2 months ago


Haaha Billy is the best, with so much experience and info he is willing to share.

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MammaRainbow   commented 1mo+29dy ago


So I actually have to have conversations with all of those artists I've been admiring from afar before submitting? Sounds terrifying! :-P

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Hotblack   commented 2 months ago


I just listened to your featured tracks. I like your voice. It's soft and sultry and definitely suited to that genre of music. I understand what you're saying. You can submit a good rendition of something, yet the songwriter finds a different version more suitable. I myself am pigeon-holed in the Classic Rock category. My playing, at any given time, can be pretty on point, yet just not the right style or feel for numerous songs. I know you didn't ask my opinion, but for what it's worth, acoustic style music that has dynamic intervals is the right venue for you.

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JeanLui   commented 2 months ago


I do not understand that opinion of a vocalist when there are many collaborations NOT finished in the absence of a vocalist. We only have the option of doing the instrumental songs

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MammaRainbow   commented 2 months ago


Thanks and also for the advice. I think you may be on to something. Since the pandemic I've been writing alone without any backing tracks and I have to say it's been very freeing. Acoustic tracks would probably be a similar experience.

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BrokenBString   commented 1mo+7dy ago


Have a listen to some of my acoustic backing tracks, Tracy. Some of them have already had songs attached to them but spin offs are always a good way to go. Let me know if you would like specifics. Chris

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Chris1970   commented 2 months ago


Tracy and Billy, I know how you feel. I find sending a rough unedited track (as a drummer) is best for me. if they like it then I'll put the extra effort in to get it right. I don't see any point in spending 3 days playing and editing if they don't like my stile.

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Midipunk   commented 2 months ago


Haha account closed, you can fake everything nowadays except vocals. A shame really but I'm glad it's not only drums.

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JonGarcia   commented 2 months ago


The rare case of people who walk in with high expectations, get frustrated on the first try, complain, and close their account XD

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Hotjams   commented 2 months ago


It's not hard to find most things on Kompoz but good singers are rare. I use Fiverr, often.

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WillaWay   commented 2 months ago


If I was to pay a singer to provide vocals for a project I created, then I would definitely feel obligated to pay every participant of the project. Just my opinion:)

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Hotjams   commented 2 months ago


Thanks for sharing your opinion. Having created and contributed too many projects I sometimes invest my money to try to take a project to another level. In that vocals are hard to come by on this site and after spending a lot of time and effort on my part, I roll the dice on a good vocalist. Often I'm paying a vocalist to sing on a project I didn't start. I was just a contributor. I just felt like investing in the project to see if I can take it to another level. Also, when I pay somebody I'm extremely demanding on the quality and timeliness of the performance. And this is my opinion. :-)

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WillaWay   commented 1mo+29dy ago


No need to explain your reasoning. I wasn't trying to offend you in any way:) I sometimes spend money to try to take projects to "another level" as well. Most of the time that money is spent trying to improve my own skills/abilities in some form. Whether it be new equipment/tools or a course to strengthen my knowledge in a particular area.

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Hotjams   commented 1mo+28dy ago


No problem, I was not offended in any way. Just two people sharing their experiences. It's all good. Often I'm very picky about how the lyrics I write fit a melody within the chords. I can get pretty demanding. Thus Fiverr.

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Hotblack   commented 2 months ago


Here on Kompoz.....yea, I see you're point of view. Now, if you can't get someone HERE either to sing on your track or obtain a Vox track you're happy with , then why wouldn't one go to Fiverr and pay for vocals if you truly want the track finished and done satisfactoraly? If I collaborated here, with other players on a good song THAT WAS WORHTY OF GOOD VOCALS......and couldn't get them done here, I would recommend Fiverr and pay a singer. I wouldn't pay the people here who agreed already to contribute for nothing like myself.

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Hotjams   commented 2 months ago


Exactly, thanks.

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AtheistLogicOverMyth   commented 2 months ago


im right here. why? oh and i think i will start allowing spin offs so anyone who wants to add can create alternate versions. heres a sample of my blues flavored vox/vocals "Back In The Gallows" . . . https://soundcloud.com/user-262534256/back-in-the-gallows-w-vox-uvi-test-clone . . . professional singer? who knows what level i sing at?

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Redfish   commented 2 months ago


Of course - dont forget - not all successful vocal artists can 'really sing' (think melodyne - Katy Perry, Will.I.am, Ke$ha, Britney Spears, Justin Bieber, Snoop Dogg, Cher, Kanye West, Nicki Mina or the opposite: Just raw vox .... Ian Dury, Lou Reid, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, Nick Cave, Bob Dylan, ..... )

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Octorez   commented 2 months ago


Yep

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WillaWay   commented 1mo+29dy ago


I think you nailed it, Red.

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CanyonsEdge   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Great point !!!

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Octorez   commented 2 months ago


Sometimes the planets align and you get lucky. Heard this project and remembered a file I have that might work. #puffnpass ;) https://www.kompoz.com/music/collaboration/1118557/file/1119119

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ChrystalKafka   commented 1mo+29dy ago


Wait, Erykah Badus a capella just happened to fit?!

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EllenDXY   commented 2 months ago


Gone fishing...?

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Octorez   commented 1mo+29dy ago


If it works, why not ?

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ChrystalKafka   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Amazing luck! I love it!

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WillaWay   commented 1mo+29dy ago


Honestly, maybe I've just been lucky, but I've neverr had an issue with not being able to find vocalists here on Kompoz. A couple if times I have had to turn down vocal contributions because I had too many singers wanting to join a single project. Majority of the time I don't actively seek out singers for my projects, I just leave the projects open to all ideas. Every once in a while I post a project to the community page to try to attract a singer. All in all I guess I'm trying to say, I don't really "push or pressure" vocalists into joining, I just let things happen "organically."

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DocDaFunk   commented 1mo+29dy ago


There's plenty of active vocalists here Did u miss it or u tryin to say somethin'?

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CanyonsEdge   commented 1mo+29dy ago


I have noticed that many of the same people who are looking for vocalists are also looking for lyrics.

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ChrystalKafka   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Lyrics and melody (a vocal guide) already set up would go a long way for you to get vocals for your project. Vocalists typically have to make the lyrics, melody and arrangement and then sing it well. For some, that all flows easily. For others, its quite a challenge. This is partly why I think there are so many great active vocalists, and so many great voxless projects. A singer has to really connect to commit. There used to be singers who would drop into a project and just knock something out quickly. It wasnt great, but it was fun. Now that that seems to not be happening, I think its a great idea to go to Fiverr if you feel you have to. I appreciate that you give us Kompozer vocalists first crack at your project. But if no response here, why not?

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MammaRainbow   commented 1mo+28dy ago


I fully agree Chrystal that you have to fully connect. I feel really bad sometimes when I can't connect with a song and have to reject a project. It could be the greatest song in the world but if you don't feel it you'd be doing a disservice to yourself and the song by accepting.

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Redfish   commented 1mo+28dy ago


The fact that you feel bad shows that you care - but really - you shoulnt feel bad. Kompoz is supposed to be fun, creative and enjoyable - its not a job or chore. Ideally, you should work on songs that engage you ... unless of course you are a payed session musician. Others should understand and respect that - wether you are a singer, lyricist, instrumentalist ... or whatever

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WillaWay   commented 1mo+28dy ago


I agree, Kompoz should always be an enjoyable experience, before anything else:)

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MammaRainbow   commented 1mo+28dy ago


I don't know how those session folks do it!

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Redfish   commented 1mo+28dy ago


well I'm pretty sure they are at least given lyrics .... and probably the melody idea too

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elizabethauzan   commented 1mo+28dy ago


I'm always open to discussing my lyrics with a vocalist so we can achieve a balance and both enjoy the experience Sometimes people want to go too fast to release or only care about the guitar solo for example. I would give guide vocals but it might put people off the project completely! LOL Anyway, hurray for Kompoz!

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MammaRainbow   commented 1mo+28dy ago


I would be one of those singers. I generally tend to avoid projects that have lyrics and guide vox already unless they really speak to me. i'm just weird that way.

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WillaWay   commented 1mo+28dy ago


I typically like to offer lyricists and or vocalists full creative control when it comes to their submissions.

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JeanLui   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Voices bring songs to life and this is a fact.

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WillaWay   commented 1mo+28dy ago


+1

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liljoe6string   commented 1mo+27dy ago


+2

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elizabethauzan   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Tracy, That is NOT weird That is human and committed:--)

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CanyonsEdge   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Gotta love Kompoz! Give this a listen if you can spare exactly 2 minutes. I need help with lyrics for a second verse. https://www.kompoz.com/music/collaboration/1117463/file/1119538

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JeanLui   commented 1mo+28dy ago


You see? The lack of vocalists is so great that people take advantage of any post to ask for vocalists

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CanyonsEdge   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Nope. Looking for lyrics right now.

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MammaRainbow   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Too funny, JeanLui

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JeanLui   commented 1mo+28dy ago


too fun but real ....MammaRainbow

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davkoeh77   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Quite often singers have changed my lyrics or dropped lines. Usually it improves the song. Plenty of times I post a lyric the get curious and try sing my lyrics to the bedtrack and realize - uh oh, this is way too long. So I go in and cut my own lyrics. It?s good to get the singers perspective even if you don?t intend to actually be the singer for the song.

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elizabethauzan   commented 1mo+28dy ago


+1

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Hotjams   commented 1mo+27dy ago


Never know if the lyrics will flow until you try to record them. Generally less is better.

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ChrystalKafka   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Good point about vocal guide becoming a turn off to some. But keeping the net wide, a project manager can say “this guide or lyric is here for you if you want, or just take it in your own direction.” Tbh. While I have relied strongly on vocal guides, or used them as a jumping board for my own version of the song, a collaboration really, there are also many projects where there were lyrics and guides available, I connected so strongly with the music that I just went my own way. A song spilled out before I even saw the guide. For every new truth, there is always the blessed spin feature. I think THE BEST feature in Kompoz. :-)

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ChrystalKafka   commented 1mo+28dy ago


davkoeh77. What you said was lovely. <3

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JimG   commented 1mo+28dy ago


Nicely put. For me, these collaborations are all about the spin factor. You don't know what will turn up in the mix, and that's part of the magic. It often seems like the request for a 'vocalist' is often a request for lyrics, but without specifically saying as much. More than once, I have clicked into a request for a vocal and found a nice guitar or piano groove and chord pattern. If I stick with it, I jam vocally with it and come up with a scat line or a melody. I'm slow with lyric-hatching, but I like the process.

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AtheistLogicOverMyth   commented 1mo+28dy ago


personally, if i write a song its got a very thought out message and doesnt need any changes to lyrics, melody or rhythm, perhaps some harmony to bring out what ive already laid out for instance my tune . . . "Why Always Me . . collaboration with jojowiese . . . . . . . . me on vocals & Lyrics"

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paranoia   commented 1mo+27dy ago


Hey Folks. I have not been around for a long time. Tonight I did Extreme vocals for Jayesh which has not been my thing but I forced myself in learning cuz of a Bulgarian project. If you do extreme metal and you need extreme vocals hit me up. Im around and willing to experiment with myself. Practice makes perfect. So... Hit me up. Nice to see some poeple I've worked with are still around. How ya all doing *uckers? &#129315;&#129315;

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liljoe6string   commented 1mo+27dy ago


welcome back P!

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paranoia   commented 1mo+27dy ago


Like Jimi said... Heey Joe :)

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ShannonB   commented 1mo+26dy ago


If you like to just sing, and you're pretty decent at recording your vocals, you should definitely look up some of my joined collaborations. I mostly do vocal arrangements for people, because my vocal recording skills are nil, and I also tend to bore easily, so it is hard for me to finish anything. But vocal arrangements take out all the guess work, so vocalists don't have to think too much about how to put things together. They get to just sing! :) That's why I keep plugging along. My skills are very specific and limited, but there are a handful of people here who know how to use them. Mostly what people need to know is that I not only do I not mind your re-singing something I already sang, but I encourage it for the betterment of the song.