Lyrics, Songwriting and Arranging

908 members

swa528 / Scott Albers 6yr+2mo ago
Loops are not for wimps. Would anyone be interested in debating this? I've wondered if there is an unspoken stigma to stating in the credits for a song/album that a song contains loops. My opinion: When I hear a loop that sparks a thought/emotion/vibe, I react the same way as if another musician in the room just played a riff/motif/idea that sparked an idea so I ask them if they would repeat it. So if you develop a song around a loop, that simply means you are thinking as a musician and can hear like a producer/director/the 'Mutt Lange'. By debate, I don't mean anything snarky or disrespectful. Just curious.


   

Comments

Login to Comment
comment.user.userName

AudioAgenda   commented 6yr+2mo ago


I don't see a problem with using loops. If they can add an emotional vibe to the song then why not? I create loops of my own all the time! If you work within a particular genre then this way of working may inspire you and also help your workflow and speed in creating a song. Plus you may want some special fx and this would be a good way of creating your own. I nearly always start my song writing by using a drum loop to give me a beat to play to. It is just a little more realistic than using a click track. Then when I have some ideas down I can bring the actual drums into the song. It is great to experiment as younever know what you might come up with!

comment.user.userName

swa528   commented 6yr+2mo ago


I hear ya. I agree. That's one cool part of Logic Pro X is the drummer track option. It's intuitive and flexible without studying it first. Unlike some other built in instruments, like ES2. It still needs some redesign and tweaks but it's usually better than a simple drum loop. And of course not as good as a good real drummer. Not spamming LPX here: I love and hate LPX.

comment.user.userName

AggroPhene   commented 6yr+2mo ago


I agree that build concepts are greatly improved by using loops; sometimes even when abandoning the origin. I don't even think I would have pursued music creation as much, if it weren't for loops, since my first creations were in ACID with very little midi or VST application. Once someone recognized a bass line as being from Doom, so I started steering clear of the freebie stuff that is readily available, but would still use the industry generated stuff. I have also used pre-built RUN sequencers in Reason that I end up sending CV (control voltage) to different instruments or frames from loops to run other stuff. Would that really qualify as loop usage and where would a line be drawn? Basically I feel my Vocal and Lyrical focus is worth a little less work elsewhere, I just hope I can find the talent to compliment my style, that has more focus on these details.

comment.user.userName

swa528   commented 6yr+2mo ago


Yeah, I've done that too at times: while writing a song, sometimes the original idea, be it my own or a loop, sometimes ends up no part of the finished song. I like your AggroPhene original genre. What would to call it?

comment.user.userName

AggroPhene   commented 6yr+2mo ago


I actually thought of "cage wave" picturing somebody dancing in a cage; because it blends Industrial and Metal with a New Wave Synthpop sound. Whoa, that explanation sounds like some kind of three way incest though, since most Industrial has roots in Metal and New Wave and Synthpop really developed out of New Wave and Trance. Basically I really like to try to tell a story much like Rush, Hawkwind and Iron Maiden, so Metal just feels like a nice place to do that, though I still want to induce the dance so there you have it.