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DocSmooke / A P 5 months ago
Hi guys, what about EQ and compression in the final mix? Please, let me know what kind of VIs you actually use in your mix, and how. Do you think it's better to use a Parametric EQ or a Graphic multi-band equalizer? In which case, how many bands are good to you? Do you use Multi-Band compressors VI in the final bus mix of your DAW? If so, do you prefer putting the EQ before the MultiBand Comp, or vice-versa? What do you think is the best solution? And, finally, do you have any suggestion for free VIs? Thanks a lot!


   

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liljoe6string   commented 5 months ago


Mixing is a whole nother level of know how... Im sure there are different opinions on using what where... Sounds like to me your asking question about Mastering... ? ergo a sweetening of the final finished mix... Your asking about VIs are you refering to Virtual Instruments or processing applications like VST's or AU's for MAC? I do think the final mix treatments should be done at a minimum.. Tracks should be compressed as need doing mix.. but if you were going to to a final treatment for smoothing and consistency and overall impact.. def a multi band. again as to EQ best perfected pre master.. and i think it should come before compression.. but there are others who know a shite load more... Maybe Siri the oracle will stop by for insights..

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DocSmooke   commented 4mo+29dy ago


Sorry joe, my mistake. I meant VST effects, not instruments (I have still much to learn about this). But yes, my question was about improving the quality of the final mix and how much a multiband compressor could help in the mastering process. Thank you for your suggestions.

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Owhit   commented 5 months ago


I use parametric for the individual tracks, using notch EQ to remove harsh bands, and add saturation in small bands, like for kick, or background vocals. Most tracks get individual compression. Then I finalize the master on a graphic EQ and "Mix Gel" compression on a mild 1.2 ratio.

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DocSmooke   commented 4mo+29dy ago


Thank you Owit. As you could imagine, I have very poor skills in recording and mastering.

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tbase2000   commented 5 months ago


Why would you need anything in the mix buss? If your mix is dull then fix the tracks that provide that. Visual Monitor your master buss and adjust your tracks to fix it.

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DocSmooke   commented 4mo+29dy ago


Hey Tbase, simple answer: because probably I'm doing things the wrong way. That's why sharing information and learning to do things in the right way is important to "grew up" and start doing things better... Thanks

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javierpg84   commented 5 months ago


What is your DAW? The free plugins included there will do it as long as you get the sound you like. If you want more info let me know. I don?t mind to share info. Greetings.

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DocSmooke   commented 4mo+29dy ago


Hi Javier, I have a (pretty old) Cubase LE version I found in bundle when I purchased my audio interface. Very few native VSTs effects, but since it worked well for what I need so far, I'm still going on with it.

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FLStudioNick   commented 4mo+29dy ago


Hi Doc, Check out https://www.kompoz.com/music/group/freeplugs for some free VSTs

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DocSmooke   commented 4mo+29dy ago


Thanks Nick, I'll check it out for sure

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javierpg84   commented 4mo+29dy ago


Doc: Check these free ones: https://splice.com/plugins/free_plugins I will choose a parametric for more control and surgical cuts. I rarely use a graphic eq unless is the Waves API module because of its color and mid range impact, specially for snares. If you want to spend money in a great plugin, I will recommend you to purchase a channel strip plugin as you will get filters, compressors, eq, gate and saturation all in one. This is the one I use the most: https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/bx_console_ssl_4000_e.html The price is high but you can get discounts several times of the year, specially during the holidays, I have never purchased from them full price. Just wait for the right time and get it when it goes on sale. You will love it. I use multiband, eq, saturation, imagers all of them in the bus from the very beginning of my mix. I use Ozone 5 for that purpose. Is the one I have used and it has so much options and a great sound that I cant replace it. Even the new ones are ok but Ozone 5 is my go to one. I also have hear many good things about Reaper DAW and its $60 price is unheard-of. I personally use Pro Tools and Studio one but those are not cheap, however Presonus studio one 5 is just as expansive as the SSL plugin ($400) and is a DAW with a lot free great plugins. Is worth to check it out.

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DocSmooke   commented 4mo+29dy ago


Hey Javier, thanks a lot. You provided me (and probably many others thankful users) with a lot of really useful info. I'll certainly take a look to the free plugins for the moment, and consider moving to a more complete DAW in the future.

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FLStudioNick   commented 4mo+25dy ago


https://labs.spitfireaudio.com/#category=&search=&new=true Spitfire has "LABS" for free which includes a great soft piano, and other instruments

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DocSmooke   commented 4mo+25dy ago


Thanks Nick, interesting link I'll definitively check it out

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Krabbe   commented 1mo+10dy ago


There are a lot of different approaches to this subject.However ... ... what I usually do is ... ... I have my main mix, where I mix the tracks. My master bus is either completely empty or with a single Waves EQ plugin with broad 2-3 dB boosts of 60hz and 12khz, for "boom & fizz". Then I export this for the actual mastering. In my mastering chain, I like the SSL comp, the LA-2A (if I feel it needs a bit of tube colouring), a M/S EQ, Kramer Master tape and a multiband comp for limiting. For monitoring, I use the Waves Paz-analyzer and the WLM loudness meter Mastering is about subtle "interactions", so I never apply more than 2dB changes. If I feel there's something that needs more tweaking, I go back to the mix and fix it there. The main thing though, are the tracks. If you don't mix the tracks well, it doesn't matter which plugins you use. Your starting point is a great mix, and a great mix starts with gain structure and high pass filtering ;)