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Afterdark / Andrew Farrell 2mo+29dy ago
Hello. I am involved in a collaboration and I need some advice. I need to create warmth and fullness in the brass section yet also need clarity and plenty of top with the synth arpeggio at the same time. I also have trouble with the tracks bleeding into eachother so I would like to know how to create distance between the tracks. Every time I try and fix the problem I just end up with a clipped distorted mess. I am using presonus studio one 5 and I am thinking about buying ozone but my lack of mixing and mastering knowledge is holding me back. Tom (the other) created the bassline arpeggio and other herbs and spices and I put together the intro and brass lift plus whining wailing synth that pops up throughout. Many thanks for any advice or critique. Andy Farrell


   

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Owhit   commented 2mo+29dy ago


Look for free VST's plug-ins for all these functions. 1> If you are compressing, lowering the release will cut bleeding somewhat. Either that or Notch EQ to lower offending frequencies. 2>Conversely boosting EQ at 1khz could fatten the sound, (or similarly adding Saturation at those frequencies) . That can also be done with a Compression, or Limiter.

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Spark240   commented 2mo+29dy ago


HI dude...its very loud for starters...so...off the bat on my HS7 monitors its pretty harsh.....its almost hard to listen at volume as the frequency is not appealing ....Ozone will make an immediate impact but its probably not the solution you need....theres clearly some pan stuff here....but a lot of the instruments see to congregate in the same frequency range so making them a little tricky to make out....have you mixed on monitors or cans ?

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Afterdark   commented 2mo+29dy ago


Cans. I will try and make some changes but no matter what I do I just can't get it to calm down. Thanks.

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sriracha   commented 2mo+29dy ago


So a couple of things. Ozone is really for mastering. Don't worry about mastering at this point - worry about getting a mix that is about -23 ILUFS at -6dbFS - that is what you would then master. Mix in one session, master on another just like it's done in every studio. It's not that loud, actually - it *is* too loud for the streaming services, but that is due to all the compression and limiting. I listened through my HS80M's and it sounded fine, but each room will have it's quirks. Run it thru loudnesspenalty.com and you will see what I mean. Compression/limiting is multiplicative. Each layer of that you add multiplies the compression ratio and it's really easy to get too loud and have a mix that is very fragile as a result. What I mean by fragile is your mix gets to a point where any slight change sends it out of whack. If you are getting there, then you are at that point. I would suggest that you remove all bus limiting and compression - and nothing on your master bus. Mix it first. As suggested, get your pans set to create space and let things breathe. Focus on the problem areas where there are collisions - use subtractive eq to clean things up. If you can, always avoid additive eq as that always adds noise and distortion. With few exceptions, you get more bang for your buck cutting things that collide. Then add your spatial effects - delays, verbs etc. Obviously many keys sounds have these built in - be aware of that as well and build around those. My $.02

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Afterdark   commented 2mo+29dy ago


Thanks. I got a lot of info for your $0.2 I really appreciate your views.

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BraddersSongs   commented 29 days ago


Great advice sriracha.

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SiStorm   commented 2mo+29dy ago


Also consider your choice of sounds/instruments - one way to create distance between tracks is by initially choosing sounds that are not occupying the same frequency range.

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liljoe6string   commented 2mo+29dy ago


+1

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Hotjams   commented 2mo+28dy ago


Neutron 3 and Ozone can provide some very sophisticated "unmasking" of conflicting frequencies. This gets very sophisticated and technical and you need to know how and when to use it. However, before you turn to that, I would use precise editing and automation (volume and panning) before I would turn to plugins. There are "frequency" charts on the web that can help you identify areas of possible conflict. In Studio One you can also turn problem areas into clips on the track and provide eq to just that specific region/clip. When you eq, cut the offender, avoid bosting. Then bounce that region to burn in the eq. My experience is "less" is usually better if your mixes start to muddy up. Just my 1cent.

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Pailwood   commented 2mo+28dy ago


I use Studio One 5 pro , think your issue isnt that big that it cannot be solved? If you like i can help out. Just send me your studio one project over wetransfer to webtrip@hotmail.com. so i can see where the problem is. Greetz Richard

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Afterdark   commented 2mo+28dy ago


Thanks Richard I have sent it over to you.

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Pailwood   commented 2mo+28dy ago


No problem! I love doing this. I'm on it already ;-) I will dive in this. I send you a mail with what I found. ;-) And I have good news because when mixing is new to you. It is easier to think out of the box!! That's a very good thing in mixing :-)

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SiStorm   commented 1mo+14dy ago


Was there any follow up on this? It would be interesting to hear the before and after versions

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Afterdark   commented 1mo+14dy ago


I gave up on it as it wasn't really going anywhere other than a loud and un-quantised version of unmedicated schizophrenia. Every track I added just created more disorganisation so I quit.

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SiStorm   commented 1mo+14dy ago


Ah no worries, I'm sure we've all got folders of stuff that never quite worked out. Better luck on the next one

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Hotjams   commented 1mo+14dy ago


Yup.