Sound Engineering & Recording

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Emae / Em Mae 3mo+18dy ago
Hi everyone! I'm looking for some engineering help on a number of songs on Kompoz here. (: I'm a singer and want to finalize some stuff on here. https://www.kompoz.com/music/collaboration/972875/files (This one has 3 tracks that need mixing, 2 of which are vocals) https://www.kompoz.com/music/collaboration/950819/files (This one has several vocal tracks, the most recent one is just an edit of the beginning) If someone with a good ear can help get these vocals into just the right spot because sometimes I have some latency issues on the recordings as well. Thank you!!


   

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Emae   commented 3mo+18dy ago


Also, this recording is not with the updated vocals that I re-did, as I did not like singing on some spots.

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tbase2000   commented 3mo+18dy ago


This song that you posted. What is your intended audience? If it's kids then they don't understand reverb and over saturation. Also...what would be a good song that parallels what you are trying to achieve. Most people won't just blend a vocal to someone else's bedtrack...they want to mix the entire song. Just saying...not that you can't but it's not very fun for anyone. Latency. If you know you have it...then correct it before you finalize your track. In my experience, latency varies over time so it's not that simple to correct as dragging 9ms or whatever. You have to dig a little deeper to eliminate the latency from the source. It's not ok.

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RobAsh15   commented 3mo+18dy ago


I agree. The only really effective way to do this is to lay the vocal in manually by hand, a piece at a time. This assumes that the latency issues didn't affect the singing of the vocal sufficiently to simply throw it out of all alignment to the bed. I'm talking about actually cutting and re-pasting parts in the WAV timeline. I tend to sing late a lot. I keep time, but tend to follow after the "one", instead of slightly before it, which is usually better for vocals. Lazy can work for jazz and blues sometimes, but rarely works well for pop or rock, metal and such. Anyhoo, manual correction serves me well in my case. I can spot correct the timing of a word, or a few words in a line, to get tight syncopation. You can do the same sort of correction in Melodyne. But latency can cause more than one timing issue when singing. Better, as stated above, to fix the problem before you lay down the track. Adjusting the bit rate and depth of a track (like say, if you get latency at 48K, you switch down to 44.1K and the problem goes away) can often help. If you are using an interface, that device acts as a sound card, which interfaces with your DAW through the ASIO configuration utility. This setting should match the recording rate and depth you chose for your interface. You may also need to check the settings in Windows for your interface as well. Whatever you set one set of settings to, you should duplicate in all other cases where recording rates and depths are controlled. Check your routing, from your mic into your DAW, and then out to your cans or speakers. If you have needlessly over-complicated the route the signal has to take you may get latency issues. Look for ways to simplify the routing to the greatest extent possible. I noticed, for example, that I was getting latency issues at very low recording rates (44.1kHz, 24 bit depth)... I was using an external guitar modeling processor into an interface, into my computer and then into my DAW. I ditched the external unit, switched to VST modeling plug ins, like Amplitube 4, Guitar Rig 5, Peavey Revalver, etc. plugged my axe directly into my interface, and the latency issues went completely away. I also agree, by the way, that mixing the vocal as part of mixing the whole song is better. What you are asking is kind of like asking a (talented) chef to cook half of a six course meal, then turn the entire thing over to another (equally talented) chef to finish. If you do this, you tend to never get the best work of either chef. Just sayin'...

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tbase2000   commented 3mo+18dy ago


I do a lot of pro bono projects (ok, not lately but..) but the bonus for doing that is you just made someones song sound close to if they had recorded it in a studio with production points they never intended. Big gains for them, and honestly not very much time from me. Wish more people would pick up on the concept. Anyway...for me I need to think that the song jams and that they put their best work forward. There's a lot that can be done with a raw track. Hell...I prefer a DI from bass and guitar anyway to reamp if needed. But this project is not that. I like giving a garage band from Austin or Turkey a Christmas present for my studio time. No offense meant....just venting because I can't go outside because the world is ending. So crazy.

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Emae   commented 3mo+18dy ago


No worries guys... I know it's not the best result to mix something someone else made... but unfortunately I find people keep putting projects aside and that's why I asked for support in order to get them finished.

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tbase2000   commented 3mo+18dy ago


Does your project have all of the available tracks to mix the song...or is it your two tracks of vocals on top a mixed bedtrack? I haven't looked but that's what I gathered from your description. Is that how they all are? If that's the case...then this is a karaoke project.

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Emae   commented 3mo+18dy ago


Unfortunately that's a lot of what I've been able to find on Kompoz. Some of it worked out okay. There may be some other segments to mix on the other song I listed there in the link. But the pain remains one is just vocals and the guy's music that he posted. I'd love to actually make more professional stuff, I just kinda do what is available.

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tbase2000   commented 3mo+18dy ago


No. Your talented and you need to network to build your skills and contribute your talent. I was very green when I started on this site. But I've met some really great people and have added to and created my own personal collaborations...besides all the mixing. This site is dope. Branch out and spread your talent. You'll be fine.

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Emae   commented 3mo+16dy ago


Do you know some people you?d suggest for my style of singing? I?ve often played with peter rands stuff but you?re right that it?s not done right if the engineer doesn?t have all the seps... we?ve created some decent stuff though. I wish I could find more professional options. As for the latency issue I tried awhile ago to fix it. It just microseconds. For some reason the directions I was following continued to not work but whomever mixed it was always able to adjust for that error. I could try to fix this again. right now I?m trying to just zone out because this pandemic thing is freaking me out...

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Emae   commented 3mo+16dy ago


And actually I don?t have a style. I do every style... as long as I like the music. I just really want to finish up these projects before I start anything new....

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jjt   commented 3mo+17dy ago


Maybe ask the guy to post seps?

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ShannonB   commented 3mo+17dy ago


Spin-offs are great when you think a project has value, but it is missing something. It enables you to change things like talents needed. And you don't have to tiptoe around the originator so much. You don't have to worry about files getting archived, because that becomes your job! You can invite whomever you like! There really is no down side. If the project owner disables spins, just PM him/her and ask for permission. They can temporarily enable spins, or just enable them to people who are already collabing. Just an idea for project owners who tend to move on to the next thing and forget about what they just created a month ago ;) Guilty!

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Emae   commented 3mo+14dy ago


Hi everyone! So I did ask peter rand, (the person with the second song) to upload individual SEPS now if anyone is interested in joining.

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ShannonB   commented 3mo+14dy ago


Oh, yeah, he's super easy to work with! :) He took me under his wing right away!