Vocals

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Sue2BlueEyes / Sue Whitehead 1 year ago
I hope I am not the only one that struggles with this issue, so maybe some of you can help me. I want to add a vocal to a track that doesn't have a clear melody established yet, but I keep getting lost or something. I can work much better with written music, but mostly here at Kompoz it is just audio. How do the rest of you put a melody to an instrumental that doesn't have a melody yet? I would love some suggestions so I can get the hang of it.


   

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DTSUK   commented 1 year ago


I have a slightly different issue. I've asked writers to indicate where each verse , Chorus or Bridge section should begin by giving timings (ideally against the lyrics - if they already have them but if not just a brief outline like V1 0:24, Chorus 0:44, V2 1:04, Bridge 1:28 and so on. Some will and others won't but if they did I can't help but feel they would get more takers for vocal lines. It's like browsing the internet for shopping - if you can't see what you want quickly and clearly you move on to another site where it's easier and the same applies to songs, I know if I can't suss out where things fit pretty quickly that I need to look at something else. In your case it would be really helpful if folks could put any ideas for a melody over the song using an instrument to replace the vocal. The chances are that you will change the proposed melody anyhow but to have a rough guide idea is a great help to getting started. If I have a workable guide I can usually complete a set of lyrics and sing the song pretty quickly.

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GoYeah   commented 1 year ago


On every song project, there is a Dashboard where we should all write down these details, along with Key and BPM ... I tend to do it most often than not ... But I can feel your pain. If these infos are not present, either ask for it if you really love the song, or just let it go ....

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MikeJM   commented 1 year ago


Just saw this. If this is the track that we're collaborating together on (not sure if it is), know that I am open to helping with that in whatever way you need. Don't feel intimidated to ask! Some vocalists seem to be able to read my mind when I write lyrics (lol), but most need some guidance, and I completely understand that! I have HUGE respect for people who are able to make a good melody. When I write the lyrics I have the phrasing and place in mind, but not every single nuance of the final melody, and when people have asked me to record, aside from being an absolutely awful singer lol, it is hard to be amazingly creative on that front. However, I'm always up for helping the singer in any way possible! I appreciate Davethesinger 's comments and while it looks like I didn't provide time stamps for your track, Sue (bad form by me) recently I have definitely added timestamps to every song I write for someone else (the exception being just lyrics I write, not to music, and then someone adds to it). I'm also open to recording my voice to show you what goes where, but bear in mind that the melody will probably be bland at best, and as long as you can spice things up I think it would work! Please keep in contact with me about this, if it was in fact our track that the problem occurred on. And if it was someone else, ask for similar info! Hope this helps. :)

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MikeJM   commented 1 year ago


Oh, and sorry for butting to a vocalist discussion lol just felt like it was important that I extend my help if this pertains to the lyric I wrote for her. Now, with that being said, you can throw tomatoes at me and send me back to the Lyricist group. XD

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Sue2BlueEyes   commented 1 year ago


Oh MikeJM, this is not about Whispering Trees. That worked so easy on my end. I am thinking of working on more of your collabs because I really like your lyrics writing, so not to worry. This is just about in general for Kompoz.

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MikeJM   commented 1 year ago


Got it. Just making sure . . . reading the other comments I guess I misunderstood a bit lol but better safe than sorry. ;-) Well, anyhow, best of luck growing in this regard!

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sriracha   commented 1 year ago


So as a songwriter who doesn't write the melodies, I can offer my take. I write the context and provide that for a singer to express themselves in so that they are as much a participant in the process as they can be. I mean, I can write melodies, but I choose to let the singer do that. Sometimes that process requires a bit of back and forth with constructive criticism to address issues like key, etc. but I think most singers prefer to exercise their full creativity. Things that every project should have: key and BPM. There should also be a discussion post (or description section) which lays out the form. I do so creating a table with the section name, start time and start measure, and if there's key or bpm changes, those are noted as well. I also provide tracking mixes for every talent I want where the mix is a broadcast wav which when imported into most DAWs will import markers and all the tempo and sig info for you - which means you don't have to read the form discussion, lol.

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Owhit   commented 1 year ago


Hi Sue, I get the chord pattern and strum it out. If you cant do that, you can repeat a section in your DAW to the same effect. If that doesn't quite fit later, I record the draft and punch in better phrasings later. Then I record the whole thing over again pushing the vocal performance.

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JennyK   commented 1 year ago


This is probably no help at all, but it's where my head's at. :d) I listen to the song a number of times, and whatever melody pops into my head that seems reasonable, I try it out. Usually I have a few words to start with. I rarely think about the chord or key. I've done this for such a long time that maybe I do hear what might fit, I just don't know I'm doing it. Basically I find one melody fragment that feels right to me, I try it, then I expand on it. This can be a long process and knowing the music theory would possibly make it easier on me, but I try things. If it's a tricky one, it will take longer and the melody will change and evolve drastically before I let anyone hear it. I dunno. My first thought was actually to say, "get drunk, relax, and sing what feels right.". But since I don't really drink, I can't really say if it works. :D

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JennyK   commented 1 year ago


And yes, I do this while in the daw, recording as I try things. I don't memorize melodies. I record them and work on them. The memorizing coming with finalizing and tracking those vocals a million times, never before. :)

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Sue2BlueEyes   commented 1 year ago


Wow, thanks everyone for the tips. Here is what I have been trying. I cut a piece out that seems like it would be a verse or phrase, something short to work with. Then try to make a melody for it, recording the ones I like. Then go on to the next. If there are lyrics already written, that helps me find these sections. And it really helps to have the time stamps listed in the lyrics. After I have settled on a tune for one piece, I have been writing it using musescore. I still like the visual representation for matching the lyrics, just old school I guess. Just tell me "hey boomer." But based on the comments all of you have offered, seems like I might be on the right track. Thanks again

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dirke   commented 1 year ago


As others have said, the members who include a melody line using a keyboard or other solo instrument will make it easier for the vocalist to work on and it saves time trying to figure out where to start. Also the inclusion of a "time" reference as others have discussed, is important. simply uploading a backing track with no reference points won't attract as many collaborators than if you did. My thoughts.