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JustVera / Just Vera 1mo+21dy ago
Since my request for talents is expiring, I'm about to take 'Sketch' down. I still think it could turn out great with the right lyrics, vocals and all other ideas. But I need help. Please let me know if you share my vision. (And of course I welcome any idea.)


   

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Floodmusic   commented 1mo+20dy ago


It is an interesting Idea. I hope you get some interested collaborators

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arturl   commented 1mo+16dy ago


Could be a musical, like 'Chess' from Benny and Bjorn?? Very interresting!

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dirke   commented 1mo+16dy ago


I hear you. I have 4 projects waiting for contributors since early last year and no contributions apart from one. A disappointing web site for music creators.

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LazyFrank   commented 1mo+16dy ago


Unfortunately, I have to agree. More frustration than fun here. Why pay for this? :(

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beethonin   commented 1mo+16dy ago


Good afternoon, I do not share your opinion, the problem I see is that we are more creators than instrumentalists. We spend more time creating than spending time touching others' ideas. I don't think this is good or bad, it's what I see happening here.

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arturl   commented 1mo+16dy ago


Just Vera, give me some time for the melody ... ;) And I agree with beethonin ...

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Barbarella   commented 1mo+16dy ago


It does seem like very few contributors are on here. Interesting dynamic. Almost every time I check something out and consider contributing melody or lyric ideas, the same 2 or 3 people make contributions and I don't feel I should. But it is also the case that there are other sites out there that pay you right away for your work. This seems to be a free for all. Don't get me wrong, I almost think the work everyone does involving music is priceless, but at the same time, time is money and money is time. Unless we are just doing this as a hobby, and it seems like there may be a lot of that here. Anyway, nice to "meet" you all here, slowly. I'm just getting to know this site :) Happy music-making!

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BrotherRat   commented 1mo+16dy ago


> the same 2 or 3 people make contributions and I don't feel I should. Always do!! Just jump in. People have to get to know you and you have to get to know people. Being shy here .. means very few people will know you exist. Yes, you will find that some people have a circle of friends that they often play with. Compatible styles. But in several months that will be you too .. where people who like what you do .. will be inviting you .. and you will like some person's project styles and really like working with that person. You will ten be LOADED with stuff going on. So .. jump in .. make waves .. don't be shy. And give the site a few months. If you do that then eventually you will have LOTS of projects on your plate and will start to feel guilty that you can't get them all done!! Bottom line is .. that anyone who complains that not many people are working with them .. are guilty of being a wall flower. Ya gotta get up and dance :)

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Barbarella   commented 1mo+16dy ago


Yeah, I'm not exactly shy. I'm one of the ones "not responding" to the creation. But points taken about creators' submissions not getting a response.

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RobAsh15   commented 1mo+16dy ago


Threads like this are all too frequent, on this and other, related sites. I feel nothing but empathy for all the people who commented their frustration here, and like most other members, I wish everyone could participate at exactly the level they want to, all the time. There are many, many factors that affect why some ideas don't get a lot of attention while others seem to always draw submissions. I will not list all that I know here, but I don't know them all, which is an important fact. No one does. Each person's ideas of what they want to do with their music is different. But, a few factors that affect almost every submission, be it a new project or just a stem, are... 1, A player's level of contribution. Players who create lots of projects get noticed. The quality has to be high, and some genres and styles of music get more attention than others. But good musicians who post a lot of projects draw attention. Likewise, someone who posts a lot of stems to the projects of others draws a lot of attention. I can tell from the posts in this thread that some of you have already noticed this. There are some really talented guitarists on Kompoz who submit ideas to many songs. Even if some of those ideas are NOT accepted, you tend to see their names pop up a lot. 2, The quality of the submission. Fair, or not, cream rises to the top. The underlying idea behind Kompoz is to produce songs for sale. In Kompoz 3.0 (when it finally arrives), it is my understanding that the opportunities to sell songs will be increased. Meaning across more music sites and platforms. That will be a good thing for all, but it will also increase the tendency to have the very best players here work with the very best players here. If you think about it for just one second, you'll see that, if a player is serious about wanting to try to make a little pocket change with their music, this only makes sense. Incidentally, I am NOT one of these high caliber players. I have exactly ONE song for sale, and I never expect to earn more than a few pennies from it, if that. I am a middle-of-the-road musician who can keep time. Believe me when I tell you that there is a whole class of projects I NEVER submit to, because I know the players there are way out of my league. 3, Projects where the owner posts STEMS for each part of the song, instead of just a composite track with all the parts that they play all mixed together get TONS more looks than ones that have no stems, ESPECIALLY from the better players. People get tired of having to ask (...and ask... and ask... AND ask...) for stems. By demonstrating that you realize how important it is to set up your project the way the site intends for you to, you help cement your reputation here as a serious contributor. Think of it this way... LOTS of amateur musicians are insecure about their song, their playing... all of it. Some more so, some less so, but it's something we can ALL identify with to a greater or lesser degree. When deciding how to approach how to handle your interactions with projects on this site, try to AVOID any action that is driven by insecurity. Giving in to self doubt is why many players post composite tracks as ideas instead of stems. Bad idea. Good players need stems much of the time to help them decide how to build their part for your song. If you are weak in the use of a DAW, START THERE. You can't effectively contribute here without knowing the basics of using a DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) or, in other words, a program that helps you make songs. There are whole groups devoted to helping people learn to use not just a DAW, but any piece of recording equipment properly. If you need a specific answer, ask a SPECIFIC QUESTION. Trust in the good nature of almost everyone on this site. If you don't know how to properly set up a project, ASK for help. There are whole groups dedicated to just that. Learn how to set up a project the right way, and WHY it's the right way. One thing you can bet it true: the players and song makers who get the most action here know EXACTLY how to set up a project so that it is as smooth as buttah... If you keep in mind that this site's primary goal is to help musicians SELL songs, it may help. If you set up a project, trust me when I tell you that the NOTES section gets read. If you are not playing at a pro level, STATE this in the notes. Ask for players who, after listening, play at your level. Nothing helps you get better, faster than making songs. Get a group together (of 10,15 or as many players as you can) and grow your skills together. In the mean time, you will also be developing a pool of players that may contribute to your future works. Also, SLOW DOWN. It can take quite some time to develop enough name recognition here to get noticed. Start off by submitting stems to the projects of others. If I were a new member now, I'd do this for a year. I'd posts stems to as many projects as i could find that I had even close to the skill to play on the song. Every time I posted a stem, I'd post a note telling the project owner how much I liked the song, and how they could contact me for changes or to discuss my submission. Do this once a week for a year, and you WILL get projects. You WILL get noticed. You will also find your natural level in the game... and begin to interact with more and more players who play AT YOUR LEVEL. THEN, when you've got a reputation as someone who willingly contributes your best work to the projects of others, then post a project, and see what happens. No site is a fit for everyone. That's sad, but it's a fact. But this comminity has WAY more pluses than minuses. This ain't Kindergarten, so you will have to take some time to learn how to swim in this pond, but the good thing about this pond is, the sharks (the big gun players and song makers) are THE MOST HELPFUL PEOPLE ON THE SITE. Finally, even though I said this site is for selling songs, there is still a HUGE part of the community that is purely and fully amateur. Don't give up. What have you got to lose (what's a basic membership cost anyway...a couple of bucks?). Give it time. Network. Sending someone a note is free. Listen to a thousand songs (yes, count the damn things!) and send a note to every one you even partially think you might be suited for. Before you get anywhere near a thousand, you'll find out that there are TONS of people, just like you, waiting to receive that message. If you want instant gratification, buy a video game. $60 and you get your buzz on right away. This site takes a bit more work. But if you really, really want to make music, it's worth it. I wish you all the best of luck. I hope you all stay, and that you find your footing, and your way, on the site.

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BrotherRat   commented 1mo+16dy ago


>so you will have to take some time to learn how to swim in this pond, Rob, you da man. Well said. Well said :) The talent level at this collab site is HIGH .. so it is well worth it.

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JimmyAlbertBlue   commented 1mo+16dy ago


Rob, That was a thoughtful gift. I hope members worldwide will consider that: "There are always flowers for those who will see them". -Henri Matisse

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peterrand   commented 1mo+14dy ago


Well stated.. thanks.

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JustVera   commented 1mo+15dy ago


My goodness... This post has triggered more than I intended. I just wanted to send out a final reminder to those who might have missed the introduction of 'Sketch'. As a composer I create about the maximum number of annual public and private collabs my paid membership allows. Kompoz definitely is the best playground I can imagine! Thank you all for reminding me of some basics for successful collaborating. If I might add three general tips: 1> Do the right things and do them well 2> Try harder 3> Communicate Btw I'm NOT in it for the money. For those who like to hear what Kompoz means to JustVera, please check out https://open.spotify.com/album/35Uc2Txve0bZy080qtwb2c . (And the next album -another tribute to all Kompoz artists which joined my projects over the last two years- is well on its way...)

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BrotherRat   commented 1mo+15dy ago


Just, You are the epitome of what a kompoz-er should be. A role model. Just though I would let ya know :)

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JustVera   commented 1mo+15dy ago


I love you too, Ray♡♡♡

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NicolaOffidani   commented 1mo+14dy ago


Interesting but difficult to add something....Easy when we are in the same room sharing ideas but here we should share something 'solid' that require time with a high risk to be rejected. I know, we are here for fun but better if fun is Accepted :) I disagree with people that think here is difficult to have collaborators.... Only singers are difficult to get in because they are few and not always connected. Usually I never have problems with Drummers, Bassists, Sound engineering, guitar player, lyrics writers etc... more difficult to have piano and more more to gave sax or horns.. I created 612 project and collaborated in other 1212 so I feel on the list of 'good guys' :) but understand who don't like to collaborate and prefer to start their own project...With your own project you are in your confort zone!

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beethonin   commented 1mo+14dy ago


I had not thought about it like that but Nicola I think you are absolutely right. In our own projects we feel more comfortable. It is easier to ask than to give.