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EllenDXY / Ellen Kussy 2mo+9dy ago
So, spin-offs. Are you a fan or not? I personally am not a fan of this. It's nice that this option exists for kompozers who have put a lot of time and effort into their contribution for a song, where then their idea is not accepted. This gives them the opportunity to move forward with their vision for the song if the collab owner and - if applicable - the other contributors are fine with it. The reason I don't turn on the option for spin-offs for my collabs (exceptions aside) is because I don't really see this as a collaboration anymore. This is also mainly due to the observation that it is often about the vocal contribution. Which again may be the result of the lack of vocalists on this website, but that's another discussion. Vocals are usually added last to the collaboration. Of course, there are exceptions. In most cases my vocal contribution is inspired by something from the original collaboration. For example, that guitar, the piano, the bass, groove, the whole thing or whatever. If this becomes different in a spin-off then I can rarely get used to it. And sometimes as a singer you can suddenly sound out of tune because of changes in chords etc. And sometimes your timing is wrong too. In addition, it still remains strange for me to hear my own voice. My shortcoming, but also another reason for no spins with my voice! Lol! Sooooo this is a long post! Sorry. I'm not usually this long-winded (and serious). But I'm curious what others think about this, particularly vocalists and singer-songwriters.


   

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Treid   commented 2mo+9dy ago


I am down with the concept but I think the title 'Spin-Off' is not obvious as to what the goal/point/reasoning of the cover version is. 'Cover version' - There's the keyword right there! COVER Ver. (Or REMIX if your using a lot of the previous material) I would do a cover-version/Remix, Or accept a cover version/Remix of one of my songs (Spin-Off) if I felt I/they could either, 1: Make a better finished product than the previously finished version. (While retaining elements such as Form, Harmony, Melody etc...) 2: Learn from re-making/learning elements of the track. (Re-Recording drum parts/re-producing vocal FX chains etc...) For those reasons I think that this feature is valid. However I think that this post is hinting at a deeper issue which is the idea of 'When is a song truly finished?' When you choose accept stems from all members? When you click 'Finish' When you release to Streaming websites? When you release a physical CD?

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liljoe6string   commented 2mo+8dy ago


EDXY Your preaching to the choir. I'm anti-spin off cause I think every song has but one true form.. Its like those utube vids with some really great axemen playing a dif solo in Stair Way to Heaven..is nothing sacred? lol thanks4thepost

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GoYeah   commented 1mo+27dy ago


+1

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ShannonB   commented 2mo+8dy ago


As a singer songwriter, I don't ask to do spinoffs, but people will sometimes ask me to spin something. It depends on my mood, and whether or not I think I can take what I contributed and start my own project. ;) This is especially freeing when your contribution is not accepted, but the original music inspires a beautiful lyric.

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DTSUK   commented 2mo+8dy ago


Personally ss a singer I find a Spin-off be useful especially if the original owner creates that spin-off. On a few occasions I've come across great songs that already have a vocal that for me don't quite work with that song. So without treading on the original singers toes I will generally speak with the owner and ask if they will consider letting me submit on a spin-off that way they do minimal work and IF my submission is accepted then the original guy or gal on vox isn't upset that their efforts have been in vain. I work full time and have a LOT of other outside interests, often by the time I've found a song I like enough to work on and then have spent a day or two on a lyric someone will have beat me to the punch so a spin can mean that my effort isn't wasted because lets face it not many songs that start off as just a lyrical composition ever see the light of day do they? Just my thoughts but I agree if your vocal is in place and then the instrumentation is altered the result can be well, less than desirable!

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Andy_M   commented 2mo+8dy ago


I agree with Treid, should be called a cover version. Not to say everyone doesn't end up preferring the cover version, including the original artists! Often happens! But as Treid says when is the original the original, and not a work in progress. Which I think leads to your point Dave and getting beaten to it and then not wanting to tread on others toes, fully agree, how many times has something potentially preferred by the project owner never been heard because something else got uploaded first and put that person off uploading their version . I have been thinking for a while that there should be an option to submit interest on a project to flag you are working on it and will upload something in X number of days/weeks. I think this would get rid of the treading on toes feeling as from the beginning everyone could see others are working on it and could pick the best for the song once all submissions are in.

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JarekA   commented 2mo+8dy ago


The "interest flagging" idea is spot on! Who's gonna write a petition to the powers that be?

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carlmoneyhoney   commented 2mo+8dy ago


Valid!!!

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Andy_M   commented 2mo+8dy ago


I can send the question through the contact us link with the proposal, and happy to work on getting in, but not sure if there is an official way to ask for new features? Anyone know?

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EllenDXY   commented 2mo+8dy ago


Thanks for your replies, folks! I'm also very interested in the opinion of someone who always leaves spin-offs on for his/her collabs. Maybe someone would like to respond? Perhaps it's part of the K-Town culture? By the way, I'm not sure if a spin-off is a cover/remix. You can think of it as a "by-product" of an original idea. But it's always meant to be something else. Sometimes it is unexpectedly good/better. Usually not.

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DTSUK   commented 2mo+8dy ago


I always enable spinoffs on any lyric I write that isn't written specifically for a song - I work on the principle that it's highly unlikely that a bare lyric will get picked up but if there are a set of words that appeal to many different people then the more the merrier. After all none of us want to see our work sitting on a shelf do we?

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EllenDXY   commented 2mo+8dy ago


Ok, agree yes for song lyrics this feature is definitely useful. But then this is more the starting point of a (new) collaboration? Not really a spin-off cover/remix...

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davkoeh77   commented 2mo+8dy ago


There are times when the contributors to a project get more interested in a project that the project owner. The project owner may have moved on to different projects or may have other priorities. I?ve contributed lyrics to project before and even had a singer sing them but then the project owner lets it all sit, even if my lyrics and the vocals have been accepted. In those case I?ve asked and been given a spin-off just so I could put the finishing touches on the song - usually getting it mixed or perhaps adding one last instrument- whatever needs to be done

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Doomism   commented 2mo+8dy ago


Spin Offs make me dizzy

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EllenDXY   commented 2mo+7dy ago


Haha Doom! Yes Spin-offs make me dizzy too! I wonder which collaboration here has the most spin-offs? Probably a lyrics collab.

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Doomism   commented 2mo+7dy ago


On a more serious note (so serious). I do like spin offs, especially for springboard collabs like the lyrical bonanza or the recent one hour challenge. And like you say, I've seen a few lyrical collabs spun off into different genres. I guess if you're set on an artistic vision for a piece you have that option to disable them, but for all those versions that you potentially don't like, could you be missing out on a small number of really interesting takes on your songs? And I'm very sure that you're not alone with feelings towards hearing your own voice..

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MammaRainbow   commented 2mo+8dy ago


I love spinoffs. To me, it's a reminder of how transformative and ever-changing music can be. As a singer, I also love that I can come in and do my own version because sometimes you get attached to a song and your soul needs to have a meet and greet with it.

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DTSUK   commented 2mo+8dy ago


I wrote a slow ballad recently but had no music. So I uploaded it as a collab and let people do whatever they wanted with the song. Someone picked it up and totally read the feel differently. It became an uptempo country song - I love what they did with it and truthfully I would never have run with their idea had I remained in control of the song, I would usually have submitted my vocal take on their idea if there was a guide in place but on this occasion I felt that the artist had done a great job so i sat back and watched from afar. very satisfying. I'm just happy my words didn't get wasted Just goes to show how different people interpret things. :-)

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Raven90   commented 2mo+7dy ago


DTSUK Spin offs are a choice I can see that as nothing wrong. But it's up to how the owner to the collaboration feels about accepting it. I personally will not accept one if it's not within the comfort zone to the genre I'm singing to. It all depends on how it sounds too. Music is union.

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sriracha   commented 2mo+7dy ago


So spinoffs here originally came from wanting to preserve the contributions of someone that were special even if that contribution didn't match the vision of the project owner. for example, a wonderful singer might jump on a track and lay down something mind blowing. Still - it the proj owners vision didn't match up, you kinda were stuck with saying "no, sorry". So we started "spinning off" projects and having attribution in the description. That fast became a "process" which has a button now, lol. So, for example, one of the most fun projs I did here was a tune I wrote and opened up to others - there were tons of alternative mixes and stuff and it was great. (And before Anton slams me, no, I'm not a great spin allower...I tend to be protective of my compositions, lol - but I HAVE done some.) The pure ideal of this site, which I admit I am a poor adoptee of, is a totally bohemian sharing of inspiration and creativity. I am a tiny bit shamed that I never fully embraced that. I admit it - I like to control what happens to my ideas. But don't feel bad for me - I'll get over it; likely before I ought to. :D Now, that said - I think it is awesome when I contribute to a song and it has spins because you get to see so many variations of expression. I also can appreciate when someone writes a song and invites many people to it , usually singers as they are in demand. I've been on those projs and it's wonderful to see many folks respond - makes me wonder what I'm doing wrong in my own writing, lol! In those cases, I've seen proj owners create multiple spins to let the singer's express themselves each in their own space. I think that's awesome. I have done that...(seriously, Anton). oiy...I just reread my thoughts and I'm fairly certain I didn't contribute anything to this, but then, I rarely do, so: FTW! :D

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liljoe6string   commented 2mo+7dy ago


not true~~ always a wealth of insights!!

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Raven90   commented 2mo+7dy ago


Sriracha I don't think your writing went wrong, just the way the other person felt like expressing it was different. We as project owners have a right to accept it or not. If it's inappropriate to the genre, style, mood, key, tune, chords, vocals, beat, rhythm and tempo, it can moderated. If it can't, then it's not a collab really, it's someone else wanting you to change your song entirely. Maybe they weren't intending to make you feel bad but it does frustrate when you feel like your idea is being rejected. And it's your project! But they should feel free to do it but you don't have to accept it!

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joel_sattlersongs   commented 1mo+27dy ago


I always enable spin-offs, but I don't like it when the final results contain NONE of my original lyrics,, but still has my name attached.